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AB2012: -snip-
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dnovraD: More simply: Cigarettes/smoking in general.

Certainly, a lot of places have indoor probations on public smoking, but you're still sticking a chimney in your mouth and inhaling the smoke.

And most countries and municipalities have absolutely dragged their feet on enforcement/banning.

Even though it'd be a national benefit to the health of a country (preventing wildfires, improved air quality, less costs to health care, etc.) only the Bhutanese legislation have chosen to prohibit smoking outright, and they went a little further to complete tobacco cessation.
I am hard pressed to find any revelence in this post.
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lazydog: I am hard pressed to find any revelence in this post.
It's quite simple. Most of the anti-smoking legislation is very nascent, and in many jurisdictions, loosely enforced at best. You don't have roving squads of anti-smoker constables with tiny extinguishers about.

This is something that actively harms people and those around them. A person lighting up might be shooed away or kicked out of a location, but rarely is any actual punishment going to be enforced in most cases unless they set off a fire brigade sensor. Most of the fines are pittances, somewhere in the range of 30-£50.

Even the months long legal process that would be required to declare that a game has violated these aside, who among those enforcing countries are going to care enough to put their foot down? Belgium banned lootboxes and look at how little that tilted the scales.

It should have been a domino effect to seriously curtail sports betting and lootboxes altogether, but can you guess how many MPs (and other legislation types) are in the books and pockets of said gambling associations? I can imagine many of them are whales themselves who'd throw money at a horse! (Or Mundial Ronaldinho)

Now we contrast SKG: Oh no, your game turned into a pumpkin and you're being belligerent about the terms you were presented with.
Post edited August 17, 2025 by dnovraD
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dnovraD: It's quite simple. Most of the anti-smoking legislation is very nascent, and in many jurisdictions, loosely enforced at best. You don't have roving squads of anti-smoker constables with tiny extinguishers about.

This is something that actively harms people and those around them. A person lighting up might be shooed away or kicked out of a location, but rarely is any actual punishment going to be enforced in most cases unless they set off a fire brigade sensor. Most of the fines are pittances, somewhere in the range of 30-£50.
Forget the tiny extinguishers, smoker faces already serve that purpose. The "harms those around them" part is why it should be legally considered self-defense to make smokers physically unable to smoke by any means needed.

One time in GameStop, a family walked in and the blatantly underage boy raved about the Shark cards he could buy to afford a car in GTA Online. As much as I wanted to go on a much longer rant, I kept it to what the parents had the best chance of appreciating: "Spending real money to obtain fake money is a scam."
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PookaMustard: Good luck telling that to the lawyers who wrote this notice in court. Let's see you make it work cause it sure didn't.
ok so here is the deal.

first I don't believe SKG will actually do what is supposed to do. NOT because is Ross or the other organizer fault like some accounts try to push here. Because the EU is not the friendly group of politicians that most people think they are. Just look at the abomination they want to introduce in a few months from now, with orwellian worse than chinese surveillance control called "chat control".

But I sustain and promote SKG because it throws a wrench in the EU fake policies that supposedly give the people a choice in the matter. If even one of you started to "wake up" to how things are SKG is a full success for me personally.

Your comment while fair and true unfortunately it also shows that you are, hopefully not on purpose, still sleeping about these issue. I don't mean this as an insult, I only want to give you a helping hand so you can become aware of the true face of power.

So yes, good luck in court, yes. But, in theory at least, in the EU I don't need to go to court to prove these things. There are countless agencies, EU or local to each country, that have the purpose to protect the citizens from being scammed by business.

Regarding The Crew shutdown, me, and many others have reported them to the french consumer protection authorities, which in theory, should had already figure out by now that ubisoft broke commercial and consumer basic laws, which don't allow any business to reposes something they sold, at whim, whenever they like.

Obviously, if the EU various watchdogs and French consumer watchdogs and the various police forces in France would had done their job as they are supposed to do, all this thing could never take place. But because the entire system is rotten to the bone and nothing works anymore, IF it ever worked, we still wait for them to do something, which they probably never do.

So getting back to the courts system, my case would be thrown away, and here is the irony, not because I'm not right but because, instead of going to court, I should had instead, FIRST try the path the state had given to me to enforce my rights. And only then, if they I don't like their decisions I can sue ubisoft and/or the Eu and various countries.

If I need to explain something better please ask.
EA is with this campaign!

https://www.eurogamer.net/eas-upcoming-skate-understands-that-the-soundtrack-is-just-as-important-as-the-gameplay-confirms-over-100-songs

Their solution to having to shut down their next Skate game due to music track licenses is that they may change and remove songs on the fly. I presume that as a last resort they will remove all songs from the game so that it can live forever!

Good call EA! I am sure Ross from Accursed Farms loves you too since you care that much for Gamers!
I play several MMOs (currently Star Trek Online, Star Wars The Old Republic) as single player games. Most of the games is installed on my disk (all graphic and game files). The only parts NOT on my disk is the multiplayer part and authorization / DRM. If those games are ever retired I could continue playing those games when these 2 parts would get removed. That should be relatively easy. I will loose the microtransactions as well, but most of that has no great influence on the game. It would be great if the company lifts the restrictions on gameplay that NEED microtransactions. Anything else I don't care about.

I bought / licensed those games. They are mine (except for the TOS that tell me I only own the "right to play"). At least that is my POV and thus I signed this petition. I want to CONTINUE playing the games I paid for whenever the companies go under or want to close the updates / servers.

I don't need presents. I want to keep what I paid for.
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reseme: So getting back to the courts system, my case would be thrown away, and here is the irony, not because I'm not right but because, instead of going to court, I should had instead, FIRST try the path the state had given to me to enforce my rights. And only then, if they I don't like their decisions I can sue ubisoft and/or the Eu and various countries.

If I need to explain something better please ask.
So what's that thing
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reseme: So getting back to the courts system, my case would be thrown away, and here is the irony, not because I'm not right but because, instead of going to court, I should had instead, FIRST try the path the state had given to me to enforce my rights. And only then, if they I don't like their decisions I can sue ubisoft and/or the Eu and various countries.

If I need to explain something better please ask.
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Solarriors: So what's that thing
what are you referring to exactly? because that was a complex argument I was trying to make that can go on various tangents
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LegoDnD: "Spending real money to obtain fake money is a scam."
Not exactly, even the real money is to some extend a scam, because it is fiat money which got no real value other than "what the people rate it for", so completely rating-based.

If they rate the gold coin higher than the fiat coin, which i do recommend... then the fiat coin will lose rapidly its value. If they expand it even more by other and more "fake coins" then it will lose its value even more.

However... it is true, the most fake of all coins are "in game coins" that can only buy in game stuff; yet some people buy it using way more "solid" money. In the end almost any coin is to some extend a scam, except a gold coin.

Sure, the bank may say "i do not want your gold coin"... because they can just print countless fiat-coins out of nowhere or they can get "free fiat-credits" by their central-bank (if there is 0% interest rate, such countries does exist), yet... it only makes a gold coin even more valuable because the only thing that is expanding is the fiat-coin, so naturally it can not buy more... it can only "increase the coins required". It is a scam... only benefiting those already able to control the entire flow, including its direction.

So, expanding fiat coins may make them instantly more "liquid" but in some far day in the future they may have to use a entire bucket full of fiat-coins in order to buy my single gold coin, if i go there again and ask hem "do you want to buy my real coin now, or wait even longer?"

As with ingame coins: The stuff they are able to buy is entirely in the control of a single company who got not much more interests other than get fiat-coins out of it. They can not only rapidly and instantly change the stuff the ingame-money is able to buy... even wipe the entire game along with its ingame-coins, so the ingame-coins may lose its value with a single blow.

Guess good parents should tell this story toward their children, although it might be hard to be understood... always with exceptions.
Post edited 3 days ago by Xeshra
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LegoDnD: "Spending real money to obtain fake money is a scam."
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Xeshra: Not exactly, even the real money is to some extend a scam, because it is fiat money which got no real value other than "what the people rate it for", so completely rating-based.

If they rate the gold coin higher than the fiat coin, which i do recommend... then the fiat coin will lose rapidly its value. If they expand it even more by other and more "fake coins" then it will lose its value even more.
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This isn’t entirely true. Fiat currency means it is issued by a government as legal tender, but it is not backed by any physical asset (such as gold). That does not mean it’s a ‘scam’ or 'fake', nor that its only value is whatever ‘people rate it for.’ Fiat currency has value because of government decree and public trust, not because it’s redeemable for a commodity. The value of fiat currency is determined by global and local economic conditions, such as the stability and credibility of the issuing government, supply and demand, and inflation or deflation rates and so on. You could argue that value comes from what people place on a currency, but the same is true for physical assets as well. The value of gold, for example, is what people ascribe to it, the metal itself has no intrinsic value apart from this.
The biggest intrinsic value i can think of is a piece of fertile land with trees, a warm home, a good running car and energy in general. As a bonus a nice wife (or husband) may have a big value but it is something no one can really buy.

However, gold is not without any practical use... it is used in the industry, for example inside a PC... so yes it got its practical uses. Although, silver and platinum is even better for industrial use... thats why those metal is still underrated and "good to have". Obviously, jewelry is always a practical use for gold as its pretty unique color is valued by humans since humankind does exist. Although, it is possible to fake it... unless a "fertile piece of land with trees, a warm home, a good running car and energy in general... and as well a nice wife (or husband)"... this is difficult to "fake" it. Either someone got it or a lot of value may stay "untapped".

Another thing i value highly is any piece of art and creativity, including games. However, this is not something humans very widely "see as a value" as the taste could be very different and some humans may not even put any value into any sort of art or creativity in general...

Fiat coins only got practical uses but as soon as it is not accepted by someone as a "practical tool"... it may lose its value very quick, because we still can not eat it nor use it in order to create food with. Some people may "sleep well" with but only if they have been offered a warm bed and previously some fine food for.

If it comes to the industry... i am not sure how well they sleep if they have been "paid well" but for certain... most of them may not provide GOG with more games if no sufficient coins offered in exchange and any sort of rights is directly linked to how many fiat coins someone is able to "gather" and ultimately "able to spend".
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Xeshra: *snip*
That entire pedantic tyraid about paper vs. metal has nothing to do with the metric I was sharing: money that can only be used in a fake world is fake money, therefore don't spend real-world money on it. I don't give shit that you pull "No True Scotsman" on paper.
No, it is not even paper in 98% of all cases, because the "hard cash" is only about 2% of the whole percentage, so actually a rarity compared to the digital-only fiat coins. Almost same soon on digital vs. physical games in which digital is perhaps as well between 60 and near 100%, dependable on system (excluding retro-systems).

So, in theory only a PC and a HDD needed and the entire world of data could be stored there. Money is nowadays with 98% as well nothing else than data. However, it is controlled by many states and elites, instead of just being controlled by a single gaming-company.

In-game currency can be exchanged for fiat money as long as anyone is willing to give fiat money for, which is the case, so it does not "stay" in this world, not as long as humans from the real world are involved.

Same for any crypto currency which can either be gotten or exchanged with fiat money... in my country even directly at many terminals "in the real world".

So, this stuff is in theory highly interchangeable... although, fiat money is by far with highest acceptance.

No matter what... "hard cash" is only 2% of the fiat money and "hard metal" even more rare, and as well with a real value other than just "rated numbers", because no matter its "use" it got a limited quantity and is not digitalized.
Post edited 3 days ago by Xeshra