So yeah, there goes the thread, just like I said... took what, two pages? Not bad for today's internet.

If I had to compare the new SW plotwise (haven't watched them to criticize anything else), it's with the fanfic written by the light being of the Futurama ST episode (though it was more respectful with the old cast).

Because I said "Trump"? lol

OK, thread's saved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OlKmoApdok

From what i understand, STP resumes from the Kelvin Timeline. Which isn't TNG or anything official Star Trek, rather it's a branch of the license that... no one cares about.

Also has a lot of forced political themes, and does a poor job of handling any of them.

Nope, it just continues after the last TNG movie Nemesis.

The "Kelvin timeline" is the licensing-hell timeline.

I think it's like DragonBall? The Kelvin timeline diverges from the original but doesn't affect it. Kind of creating another universe.

Mhmm...

When i was watching thoughts and comentary from others, they specify there's an event that happens in the kelvin timeline that is also referrenced in STP. Not to mention they are getting limited licensing in a few items and changing as much as they can to be '25% different'. Also reusing Discovery costumes/uniforms.

One of the directors started adding mroe TNG but got the rug pulled from under him...

Trying to find the explainations. Somewhere between Midnight's Edge and Dave Cullen who were analyzing this.

I think you misunderstod. "An event" (Romulan sun going supernova) happens in the Prime Timeline. But subsequent Spock time-travel creates "Kelvin timeline", where all JJ movies take place. While Picard takes place in Prime timeline, just after the supernova event.

It sorta like in Avengers: Endgame. When they try to get the Tesseract in the past, Loki escapes, but it happens to "alternate world", not the main timeline.

Never watched Endgame.

Might have been Doomcock i was listening to; entertaining as hell and informative.

Regardless, it's a show i won't watch. Much like the recent Dr WHO, and anything else tainted by SJWs and woke culture.

Star Wars being high fantasy in space is not something which I would call sci-fi. And I believe time is the thing which destroyed both franchises - nothing lasts forever. Abrams being a incompetent is just a symptom of it, rather than cause.

Isn't that the truth! These franchises look just like aging celebrities that don't know when to stop having plastic surgery.

Kurtzman/Abrams they are more or less the same ;) The tones set in the New Star Trek films is what has killed Star Trek (films and tv series since the 'New' films) and that is all Abrams and Kurtzman fault for creating it and telling it the way they do (terrible plots badly told with unlikable characters).

You can pretty much flip New Star Trek and New Star Wars between one another for a similar feel of god awful wtf was that?!

"Bro you see the Star Trek/Star Wars last night, sick! Boom! man those aliens suck dude! And WOAH that explosions was the biggest EVAR! Light-sabers/Phasers are SO sick bro!"

That is where we are at thanks to the guys i just mentioned. It's pretty sad. And i stand by Redletter media's analysis for these franchises especially (which is why i posted their review of Picard so far).

I agree that in many ways what has happened to Star Trek and Star Wars is like a cultural malaise, like a sign that our culture is regressing as does our art and the standards we aspire to. Abrams is just a man of his time and his 'art' reflects that.

Still having said that i think it is still possible (but growing more unlikely all the time) we could have carried on having great Star Trek and Star Wars stuff, not everyone capable of doing that is dead, just yet, and not every younger director is going to suck at story telling (which is essentially all film is) as much as Abrams and Kurtzman. They all (young and old) have to fight the big issue of modern film development though. Not an easy task at all, and not one i see an answer to in truth.

We just have to get used to films/tv series sucking most of the time, and adjust our expectations to that.

You've got it all backwards. It's not "our cultrue" that produces people like Abrams and Kennedy - it's people like Abrams and Kennedy that push culture towards the direction of formulaing production and mediocrity.

You can just look at John Favro's Mandalorian or Seth McFlaren's Orville to see how they not only capture the spirit of original franchises, but also find popularity among modern audience. That's why I'm saying that the fault for the recent falures isn't on some nebulous "historical change" or "modern culture", but on quite specific men (and women).