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salvation still followed the original plot line but this shit totally rebooted the whole shit, series should have ended with terminator 2 cause once james cameron raises the bar there is no point humping it, it wont grow any more

This was the best scene in Terminator Salvation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKgTcuMjgrQ&t=9

Very convincing acting.

Ok im going to have a look and see how i feel about it (im an arnie fan :) )

Not really. It left them the option to do the third movie by saying "nope, it didn't work after all", but going just by the second movie, the only interpretation that makes sense is that it worked. It's like Darth Maul in Star Wars. Sure, you can bring him back in the TV show, as they did, and say he didn't really die in the Phantom Menace, but that does not mean that Phantom Menace just by not showing you his splattered body was suggesting that he lived.

The "alternate ending" is not really an alternate ending. Army of Darkness has an alternate ending, This is just an unused epilogue. It's like if you cut the Grey Havens from Return of the King. You wouldn't know what happened to the characters later, but the ring is still destroyed and Sauron went POOF.
I didn't mean it's the only ending that can make sense from the standpoint of cinematic temporal mechanics. Any kind of time travel rules can be presented in movies. I mean that the fatalistc, moody time-loop ending felt much more fitting from a dramatic point of view, and having both in one series doesn't really work.

I just think Terminator 2 actually works much better with T3 and it's Judgement Day ending closing the trilogy.

What do you mean?
In all time travel stories I've found so far, all the people not directly involved in the changes are always unaware.

QL ending is great, too bad that the series is a bit too episodic and with some silly parts.

Which is too unfair imo.

People say the blame lays in the Trailer for spoiling so much.

And besides Arnold just got back into moviedom and his first Terminator was a box office bomb?

Well, that's why it's an open ending..
It makes you hope that it worked, but you cannot be sure.
Both possibilities would be acceptable as theory 1 or 2.
That's the beauty of T2.

If you're saying that you only like the immutable past theory, that's another point.
I liked that option in T3, but the movie is too bad to be considered canon by me :P

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What do you mean?
In AoD, one ending is good (perfect) and the other one is bad (interesting, but too anticlimactic).
In T2, one is "hopeful" (but uncertain and great) and the other is good (but crap).
So.. both are alternate endings.
Randomly cutting final parts is not the same as creating a different ending..

Yep, domestically it tanked on the opening weekend but it is making money internationally so Ahnold might be back again even if the US market doesn't want anymore Terminator. ;)

The audiance in the theater I went to certainly had fun with it. Heck this 10 year old kid that sat right next to me was surprisingly well behaved. He did not talk to his dad too much.

i always thought T2 was better regarded then the first movie
spoilers for a 25 year old movie ?

and i wasnt talking about the 4 theories of time travel ( where are doctor who and donnie darko in the examples )
but that the road for terminator 3 was always open because the scientists were still alive
in other words judgement day was not averted just delayed

T3 ran with that idea but mostly botched it
maybe you should read robocop vs the terminator
it does some interesting things with time travel

The two endings of Army of Darkness replace one another. Those are truly "alternate endings". In T2, it's just one last scene added at the end. It does not replace or change the other ending. It's just an epilogue.

To be honest, me too. :-)
It surprised me when I saw this.

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Well i suppose the best example really is Frequency. The main bad guy (the cop who is the serial killer) is overall unaware of what's going on, dead one minute, a live 30 more years to kill, etc. The only time something odd happens that he is aware time is changing around him is when he hears himself from 30 years before telling how he's going to kill little jonny, right before his hand gets blown off, then in the future he watches as his hand withers away to a stump.

Curiously even people TOLD about the events and things to come (the police chief) think he's crazy until they watch the shoe polish game on the television, whereas through the remainder of the film sometimes women who were murdered seemingly weren't and they never had been...

I guess it's a little confusing... Seems a lot like Butterfly Effect where they have multiple sets of memories rather than anything else.
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