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Why have I've been dragged into this?
I was just chilling,enjoying my Sunday,having a nice breakfast and I see that someone dragged a bystander into a firefight.
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Elmofongo: I have never made any post with the mindset of bashing any gifters if they did not gift to me.
Your request is an insult. If you don't see why, lern 2 fuckign english.

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I did not say, "You guys better fucking give me Revenant, I want it and I want it now I deserve it :P"
Yes you did. You said "if anyone is generous", they should buy you a game. A proper humble gifting request makes no demands; it assumes there are generous people in the thread (because there are, for the gifting culture's definition of the word) and maybe, just maybe, they might condescend to grant your wish, not another beggar's not each other's, and not their own.

Here's a properly worded request:
If somebody would be willing to gift Revenant, I would be grateful.
See, it doesn't say people are douchenozzles if they aren't willing.

Here's another decent request:
Hey everyone, my birthday is coming up next week and I just can't help but ask for Apotheon as a early gift. I'm just in love with the art style, and greek mythology.
No problematic wording, and the guy gives a reason why he wants the game (so, probably, would play it and be happy and will make the gifter happy by proxy).

And another:
My wish:
Darksiders
while on promo, thank you very much.
See, he says "thank you very much" for considering. He doesn't say "buy me a game and I will thank you" or FSM forbid "buy me a game if you're a good person".

Now if we're going full language/ethics police, I'm not a fan of "if anyone is feeling generous" or mentions of spare copies (because people in the thread buy "spare copies" for gifting, so asking for a spare depreciates the expenditure and the generosity), or for that matter "please consider other wishes" as if there's a queue and gifters must meet a quota. But "if anyone is generous" is blatantly assholish. I'm pretty sure the gifters don't remember and/or don't care about The Incident With The Double Post. I mean, I can't possibly give less of a shit about that thread but your words are fucking wrong. I don't mean to pick on furriners, but you started this thread and you want to resolve the issue, and I'm telling you, as an English speaker and as a professional editor, that the sentence you wrote sucks donkey balls. No one knows your mindset. People can only read your posts and make assumptions. And, honestly, downvoting a stupid post, even written with the best intentions, is perfectly okay. That's what the button is for: it says "a number of people didn't like this post, don't make posts like this in the future". And then it's up to the OP to figure out the problem, but I just handed it to you on a silver platter.

So what you should do is make another post in the gifting thread and fucking apologize for your language. Say English is not your first language and you only just realized how fucking offensive and assholish you had sounded, after the rudest person on the forum gave you a free fucking etiquette lesson. And if you can afford it, gift a game, even a near-worthless one. As in, "I would really love to play Revenant but I can't afford it. I would be very grateful if someone gifted it to me. But here I have some games and I hope they might find a good home, post and I'll pm you the code", blah blah I'm going to get diabetes from typing. Or don't offer or ask for anything, just apologize and phrase your requests better in the future or you're going to get downvoted again.

Shit, I need a drink.
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Elmofongo: I have never made any post with the mindset of bashing any gifters if they did not gift to me.
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Starmaker: Your request is an insult. If you don't see why, lern 2 fuckign english.

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I did not say, "You guys better fucking give me Revenant, I want it and I want it now I deserve it :P"
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Starmaker: Yes you did. You said "if anyone is generous", they should buy you a game. A proper humble gifting request makes no demands; it assumes there are generous people in the thread (because there are, for the gifting culture's definition of the word) and maybe, just maybe, they might condescend to grant your wish, not another beggar's not each other's, and not their own.

Here's a properly worded request:

If somebody would be willing to gift Revenant, I would be grateful.
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Starmaker: See, it doesn't say people are douchenozzles if they aren't willing.

Here's another decent request:

Hey everyone, my birthday is coming up next week and I just can't help but ask for Apotheon as a early gift. I'm just in love with the art style, and greek mythology.
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Starmaker: No problematic wording, and the guy gives a reason why he wants the game (so, probably, would play it and be happy and will make the gifter happy by proxy).

And another:

My wish:
Darksiders
while on promo, thank you very much.
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Starmaker: See, he says "thank you very much" for considering. He doesn't say "buy me a game and I will thank you" or FSM forbid "buy me a game if you're a good person".

Now if we're going full language/ethics police, I'm not a fan of "if anyone is feeling generous" or mentions of spare copies (because people in the thread buy "spare copies" for gifting, so asking for a spare depreciates the expenditure and the generosity), or for that matter "please consider other wishes" as if there's a queue and gifters must meet a quota. But "if anyone is generous" is blatantly assholish. I'm pretty sure the gifters don't remember and/or don't care about The Incident With The Double Post. I mean, I can't possibly give less of a shit about that thread but your words are fucking wrong. I don't mean to pick on furriners, but you started this thread and you want to resolve the issue, and I'm telling you, as an English speaker and as a professional editor, that the sentence you wrote sucks donkey balls. No one knows your mindset. People can only read your posts and make assumptions. And, honestly, downvoting a stupid post, even written with the best intentions, is perfectly okay. That's what the button is for: it says "a number of people didn't like this post, don't make posts like this in the future". And then it's up to the OP to figure out the problem, but I just handed it to you on a silver platter.

So what you should do is make another post in the gifting thread and fucking apologize for your language. Say English is not your first language and you only just realized how fucking offensive and assholish you had sounded, after the rudest person on the forum gave you a free fucking etiquette lesson. And if you can afford it, gift a game, even a near-worthless one. As in, "I would really love to play Revenant but I can't afford it. I would be very grateful if someone gifted it to me. But here I have some games and I hope they might find a good home, post and I'll pm you the code", blah blah I'm going to get diabetes from typing. Or don't offer or ask for anything, just apologize and phrase your requests better in the future or you're going to get downvoted again.

Shit, I need a drink.
Sometimes I wonder that when I first participated in that thread of all the sentences I could have said, why did I came up with the sentence, "If anyone is generous" and I stuck with it since.

I could have said words like, "Hey I really like to play the game Revenant but I can't afford it right now"

Or "I am collecting Isometric RPGs and the only one I am missing is Revenant".

And honestly I did not know saying "If Anyone is Generous" is how you say "blatently asshole-ish"

Don't worry Starmaker I will heed your advice.
Post edited September 20, 2015 by Elmofongo
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Starmaker:
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Elmofongo: Sometimes I wonder that when I first participated in that thread of all the sentences I could have said, why did I came up with the sentence, "If anyone is generous" and I stuck with it since.

I could have said words like, "Hey I really like to play the game Revenant but I can't afford it right now"

Or "I am collecting Isometric RPGs and the only one I am missing is Revenant".

And honestly I did not know saying "If Anyone is Generous" is how you say "blatently asshole-ish"

Don't worry Starmaker I will heed your advice.
I just read through this thread and just wanted to pop in and say that I'm happy to see your last post here. Starmaker may have put things a littler more harshly than I would have, but I think he had a great point. Especially if English isn't your first language, it could be easy to miss the negative undertone that the phrase carries. I've seen your posts before and also felt like the phrase, "if anyone is generous" felt a bit like a guilt trip, but it's all in the wording. This particular phrase can make gifters feel like they're seen as less generous unless they gift a game to a specific person.
I think it would be a great idea for you to post what you said here in the community gifting thread, as I think it would help clear up for a lot of people that this was a language issue. I'd suspect your posts in that thread would be seen in a more positive light in the future. :)
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Elmofongo: Sometimes I wonder that when I first participated in that thread of all the sentences I could have said, why did I came up with the sentence, "If anyone is generous" and I stuck with it since.

I could have said words like, "Hey I really like to play the game Revenant but I can't afford it right now"

Or "I am collecting Isometric RPGs and the only one I am missing is Revenant".

And honestly I did not know saying "If Anyone is Generous" is how you say "blatently asshole-ish"

Don't worry Starmaker I will heed your advice.
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akhliber: I just read through this thread and just wanted to pop in and say that I'm happy to see your last post here. Starmaker may have put things a littler more harshly than I would have, but I think he had a great point. Especially if English isn't your first language, it could be easy to miss the negative undertone that the phrase carries. I've seen your posts before and also felt like the phrase, "if anyone is generous" felt a bit like a guilt trip, but it's all in the wording. This particular phrase can make gifters feel like they're seen as less generous unless they gift a game to a specific person.
I think it would be a great idea for you to post what you said here in the community gifting thread, as I think it would help clear up for a lot of people that this was a language issue. I'd suspect your posts in that thread would be seen in a more positive light in the future. :)
Good I want that harsh truth. Because it will only make me progress better in the future.

And I am not the only one who said the words "If Anyone is Generous" in the thread I have seen many posters saying that same word.
I think you are allowed to ask at any point. Whether you ask without retribution is another thing. Ask for a game if you want, IamSinistar will give it to you or not, you will get downvoted or not. Does rep really matter that much or is it the ego that hurts? I think it is the language used as was already pointed out. It kind of implies that if you don't get the game you asked for, then "the people" aren't generous when they actually are, they just weren't generous to you. I'm not going to follow this much because it seems like a lot of bad energy perhaps, but hopefully this helps.
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Elmofongo: And honestly I did not know saying "If Anyone is Generous" is how you say "blatently asshole-is
It's not. He just has a massive stick up his ass the size of the Alps. Cheezus effin' Cryist.

But it's basically the community begging thread. I'd advise getting into trading so you don't have to be reliant on the "generosity" of others. They're spending their own money and have the right to choose their own criteria, even if it's as petty as nuking your words to hell and interpreting your intentions with the accuracy of a North Korean spy.
To me sometimes it seems people get downvoted for random reasons in that thread.

Back when I used to use the thread I'm pretty sure I said "If anyone is feeling generous" a few times and never got any shit over it. From what I see though the thread has gotten a lot worse though since then with certain people asking for games over and over, scammers showing up in the thread, etc so people might be more trigger happy with that negative button.