Posted March 07, 2015
micktiegs_8
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Fenixp
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Leroux
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Posted March 07, 2015
Heh, I was pondering whether to buy the game during the sale and I didn't even notice that what is sold at the moment is some kind of smaller seasons pass with the promise that a second episode is included. I thought it was a complete game. I guess I should start reading the game descriptions, but I still wish they would make things like that a little more noticable.
Post edited March 07, 2015 by Leroux
SeduceMePlz
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Posted March 07, 2015
SeduceMePlz: Oh, I agree. As mentioned, I bought Shadows: Heretic Kingdoms. And I hold the heretical opinion that Dark Matter should return to GOG.
My motto: "Don't like it, don't buy it. But don't try to take away my ability to buy it."
micktiegs_8: What a great motto. Let me address it; I do like the game which is why I bought it, I was voicing concern over the current situation and if it led to selling an unfinished and falsely advertised product (unlikely but that was the concern), don't tell me I'm trying to take away your 'ability' to buy it (considering this isn't the only place to buy it you'd still have the ability regardless), I was simply asking the community 'should it be sold....'. My motto: "Don't like it, don't buy it. But don't try to take away my ability to buy it."
Anyway, that's if something was directed at me but I'm guessing not because I'm sure you would have read close.
Saying "Go buy it on Steam" is as stupid as replying to criticism of public policy by saying "Move to another country".
But do note that I didn't accuse you of advocating for its removal. My post was a reply to CharlesGrey, not you. Perhaps you should have read it more closely. ;)
Post edited March 07, 2015 by SeduceMePlz
timppu
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Posted March 07, 2015
CharlesGrey: Meh, many great game series were or will be "forever incomplete". I figure as long as the game is fun and delivers enough value/content for its price, then I don't see why GOG shouldn't sell it.
Then again, the GOG game cards suggests the part two will come free of charge, so it is a bit like pre-purchasing a game, but only getting half of it (or two games, and getting only one, whatever). The gamecard also suggests the second part should be out by now (talking about February), so yeah I guess I'll wait. I almost bought it in this ongoing promo, but glad I waited.
Nothing wrong buying it already now, if you are fine you might not be getting the "free update" promised in the game card.
EDIT: I would be fine buying the game now, if I knew that would somehow secure the arrival of the second part. I don't wish to see the game remain incomplete.
Post edited March 07, 2015 by timppu
micktiegs_8
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Posted March 07, 2015
micktiegs_8: What a great motto. Let me address it; I do like the game which is why I bought it, I was voicing concern over the current situation and if it led to selling an unfinished and falsely advertised product (unlikely but that was the concern), don't tell me I'm trying to take away your 'ability' to buy it (considering this isn't the only place to buy it you'd still have the ability regardless), I was simply asking the community 'should it be sold....'.
Anyway, that's if something was directed at me but I'm guessing not because I'm sure you would have read close.
SeduceMePlz: Advocating the removal of a game from GOG for whatever arbitrary reason does in fact deny me the ability to choose to purchase it here. Anyway, that's if something was directed at me but I'm guessing not because I'm sure you would have read close.
Saying "Go buy it on Steam" is as stupid as replying to criticism of public policy by saying "Move to another country".
But do note that I didn't accuse you of advocating for its removal. My post was a reply to CharlesGrey, not you. Perhaps you should have read it more closely. ;)
SeduceMePlz
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Jennifer
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Posted March 07, 2015
timppu: Then again, the GOG game cards suggests the part two will come free of charge, so it is a bit like pre-purchasing a game, but only getting half of it (or two games, and getting only one, whatever).
The gamecard also suggests the second part should be out by now (talking about February), so yeah I guess I'll wait. I almost bought it in this ongoing promo, but glad I waited.
Yeah, that's the only real issue I see here. If Part 1 itself is finished then I don't see a problem selling it here, but the game description should be updated to make the Part 2 situation more clear. However, someone asked the same question on the Steam forums and the developer said that they aren't allowed to change the product description themselves because only the publisher is allowed to do that. The gamecard also suggests the second part should be out by now (talking about February), so yeah I guess I'll wait. I almost bought it in this ongoing promo, but glad I waited.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/256030/discussions/0/617329150706372420/
I'm not sure if GOG would be able to change the description here without the publisher's approval either, so that's the only real sticking point for me. If they can't update the description to remove false advertising then maybe it would be better to pull the game until the publisher lets them update it.
But hopefully Part 2 will come out soon and the issue will resolve itself :)
CharlesGrey
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Posted March 07, 2015
CharlesGrey: Meh, many great game series were or will be "forever incomplete". I figure as long as the game is fun and delivers enough value/content for its price, then I don't see why GOG shouldn't sell it.
timppu: Then again, the GOG game cards suggests the part two will come free of charge, so it is a bit like pre-purchasing a game, but only getting half of it (or two games, and getting only one, whatever). The gamecard also suggests the second part should be out by now (talking about February), so yeah I guess I'll wait. I almost bought it in this ongoing promo, but glad I waited.
Nothing wrong buying it already now, if you are fine you might not be getting the "free update" promised in the game card.
EDIT: I would be fine buying the game now, if I knew that would somehow secure the arrival of the second part. I don't wish to see the game remain incomplete.
Leroux
Major Blockhead
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From Germany
Posted March 07, 2015
CharlesGrey: As long as GOG clearly labels it as an episodic or currently "unfinished" product, then I don't see the problem.
It's debatable though whether it's clear enough in this case. Yes, it's mentioned in the game description, and even in the very first lines, but it's not in the title - no Season Pass, no Chapters, no Book or Episode One, as it's handled in all* similar cases here. If I'd just see the game on sale on the front page and click on "Buy now" without checking the game page first, I wouldn't realize it's only the first half of a promised full package and not complete yet. * EDIT: Well, apparantly not all cases; I've noticed that Republique Remastered is another "Season Pass" style game that is not advertised as such in the title (so far only episodes 1-3 of 5 available).
Post edited March 07, 2015 by Leroux
CharlesGrey
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Posted March 07, 2015
CharlesGrey: As long as GOG clearly labels it as an episodic or currently "unfinished" product, then I don't see the problem.
Leroux: It's debatable though whether it's clear enough in this case. Yes, it's mentioned in the game description, and even in the very first lines, but it's not in the title - no Season Pass, no Chapters, no Book or Episode One, as it's handled in all* similar cases here. If I'd just see the game on sale on the front page and click on "Buy now" without checking the game page first, I wouldn't realize it's only the first half of a promised full package and not complete yet. * EDIT: Well, apparantly not all cases; I've noticed that Republique Remastered is another "Season Pass" style game that is not advertised as such in the title (so far only episodes 1-3 of 5 available).
On the other hand, the cynic in me can't help but wonder whether the publisher is intentionally trying to hide the fact that this is an episodic game of sorts, by avoiding terms such as "season pass" in the title.
But ultimately I think the customer also has a responsibility to inform themselves about the products they intent to buy. It's generally the smart thing to do, and in this case it doesn't even take much effort, since all the important information is right in the game description and in the user reviews.
Personally I tend to avoid episodic releases until they're complete, since I don't like having to wait a few months for the next episode, once I start playing.
Jennifer
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Posted March 07, 2015
CharlesGrey: But ultimately I think the customer also has a responsibility to inform themselves about the products they intent to buy. It's generally the smart thing to do, and in this case it doesn't even take much effort, since all the important information is right in the game description and in the user reviews.
The product description says that part 2 is coming out in February. Upon reading the description it was unclear to me whether part 2 had been released and they forgot to update the store page, or whether the description was wrong and part 2 did not come out. I had to check the Steam forums to find out that part 2 had not come out yet, and GOG probably doesn't want to have customers rely on Steam to decide whether or not to purchase a game here XDCharlesGrey
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Posted March 08, 2015
Jennifer: The product description says that part 2 is coming out in February. Upon reading the description it was unclear to me whether part 2 had been released and they forgot to update the store page, or whether the description was wrong and part 2 did not come out. I had to check the Steam forums to find out that part 2 had not come out yet, and GOG probably doesn't want to have customers rely on Steam to decide whether or not to purchase a game here XD
Yeah, at the very least they should update the description, if the developers couldn't meet the original deadline for the second part of the game. Pretty awkward situation for GOG... What should they even do, when there's no guarantee that the rest of the game will ever be completed? A shame too, since the game seems to be good.
grimwerk
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Posted March 08, 2015
CharlesGrey: Pretty awkward situation for GOG... What should they even do, when there's no guarantee that the rest of the game will ever be completed?
GOG must understand the risks of selling promises rather than games. Plus, the game was added to GOG on November 20, 2014 (if I am using MaGog correctly). BitComposer filed for what amounts to bankruptcy protection the month before. So I assume GOG understood the situation at the time.
If there's a problem, I expect GOG will deal with purchasers reasonably. They typically do.
micktiegs_8
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Posted March 08, 2015
Hah yea they should update the page. That's what got me all excited to buy it seeing it said February for the second book. Ah well, as you said earlier; I got it at a great discount so it kind of balances things out. Pay half for the game, get half of the game :3
Still, I wonder how the people who backed it or bought it on release day feel.
Still, I wonder how the people who backed it or bought it on release day feel.