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General discussionRemoved from catalog: Fallout 1, 2, & Tactics(1041 posts)(1041 posts)
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Posted December 31, 2013
Today, we bid farewell to the legendary post-apocalyptic 2D classics.

Due to circumstances beyond our control, we needed to pull the three classic Fallout games, that is Fallout, Fallout 2, and Fallout Tactics, from sale and remove them from our DRM-free catalog. These classic titles have been with us since day one, that is for over 5 years now, and they were always one of the highlights of the selection of games that we offer. There are very few titles in the history of computer role-playing games, that have had so much impact on the gaming landscape, players' expectations, and even the popular culture. The iconic setting, the memorable quotes, and unparalleled amount of fun and challenge these games provide--it's all burned in the memory of a whole generation of gamers. Probably even more than just one generation. It was an honor to have you here, Fallout. Take good care of yourself out there, try not to mistake a gecko for G.E.C.K. (not even remotely the same thing!), and remember to take your Rad-X pills!

<img src="http://www.gog.com/upload/images/2013/12/0100650e79ca7799caa0064b2e2611a62396ed6f.png">

All those who acquired Fallout, Fallout 2, or Fallout Tactics on GOG.com prior to the date of removal (that is before Tuesday, December 31st 2013, at 3:59PM GMT), will still be able to download the games' install files (as well as the bonus content) via the "My Games" section of their user accounts. Gift-codes for these three games acquired in our recent giveaway are no longer valid. However, if you own a gift-code for any or all of them that was purchased outside of the said giveaway, you'll still be able to redeem it in the foreseeable future.

We sincerely apologize for all the inconvenience this situation may have caused you. We invite you to browse through 671 other fantastic titles offered in our DRM-free catalog of the best games in history, and we wish you a Happy New Year of gaming!
Posted January 21, 2014
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RafaelLopez: Also, I think it's highly likely the client app quietly validates over the webs upon installation, but that's anyone's guess.
It doesn't matter what the client app does, because it does not touch the game files while installing.

If a game is on Steam, that means exactly one thing: you need to use Steam to download it. That's it.

Valve has precisely zero requirements regarding all other forms of Steam integration, DRM, etc. (but it is of course in their interest to encourage you to make use of them, because that keeps users on the service).

Any game on Steam that is unable to run standalone is due to the developer and/or publisher (and by publisher, I mean the company listed as publisher on the store page; not Valve). This can either be a deliberate choice, or an oversight (if the programmer doesn't know how to make the game able to run without Steam while still providing Steam integration), but it still comes down to the developer.
Post edited January 21, 2014 by Pidgeot
Posted January 21, 2014
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RafaelLopez: I see, but they all need the evil client app to download and install. Also, I think it's highly likely the client app quietly validates over the webs upon installation, but that's anyone's guess. That's what I wanted to know.

I only comment on stuff I hear of Steam, I don't use it, I don't know.
Actually I have zipped up some games and extracted them in another OS that doesn't have Steam - and they work. So no validation.
Posted January 21, 2014
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Daliz: No, for the games that do not use CEG, activation is not necessary.

1. Install Steam, login
2. Install game
3. Exit Steam
(4. Move the game away from steam directory)
5. Run .exe

Some games might not work that way because the "first time setup" makes registry entries, sometimes containing cd-keys. For example ArmA2. But it does not connect or activate anything.
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RafaelLopez: I see, but they all need the evil client app to download and install. Also, I think it's highly likely the client app quietly validates over the webs upon installation, but that's anyone's guess. That's what I wanted to know.

I only comment on stuff I hear of Steam, I don't use it, I don't know.
Using certain software to manage downloads and installation! =DRM. Using Steam to download a game doesn't mean it is DRMed even of it can only be downloaded that way. If a developer decided to only upload their DRM free game as a torrent you would HAVE to use a torrent client to download a game. In the case of DRM free games on Steam, Steam is simply a download manager. A game is DRM free independent of its delivery method. A developer could decide to sell usernames and passwords to a FTP server as its only delivery method.
Posted January 21, 2014
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Grargar: It is owned by Zenimax. And it's pretty odd that there is no digital version of it. A physical version is available dirt cheap from Amazon.co.uk, though.
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JohnnyDollar: Thanks, I thought it was them. I usually just refer to either or as Bethesda. Yeah it's on my list of possible games to get the next time I order something from Amazon.

Maybe part of the original content was licensed and they would have to pay royalties? Just a guess. I'm thinking that I read someone claim that about Hitman Contracts as the reason you can't get it digitally. Don't know if it's true. It was something about the music I think.
Speak of the devil, Hitman Contracts has been added to Steam.

Hmm, maybe GOG will be able to add it too.
Posted January 21, 2014
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RafaelLopez: Wait, all these games need the client app to be installed, internet connection to validate and run the first time right? That's not what DRM-free means. The fact that they don't use CEG is irrelevant.
No, this is not how it works. You're making some false assumptions here. You just need Steam to download a DRM-free game. Once you download it, it's over. You can run it without ever touching Steam again and even make a backup of the game files to install in other PCs.

Once a DRM-free game is downloaded through Steam it works exactly the same way as a GOG game. The only difference is that GOG does not force people to use a downloader to download the games, Steam does. But that's it. Many other digital stores also force users to use their own download managers (such as Impulse/Gamestop, Gamefly, Gamersgate). Claiming that such a requirement to download the game is DRM is stretching it a bit too far in my opinion.
Posted January 21, 2014
what a bummer :(
Posted January 22, 2014
Edit: Nevermind, my question was answered. Just when you think you have it all figured out... :P
Post edited January 22, 2014 by JohnnyDollar
Posted January 22, 2014
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RafaelLopez: Wait, all these games need the client app to be installed, internet connection to validate and run the first time right? That's not what DRM-free means. The fact that they don't use CEG is irrelevant.

Also, this must be against license agreement.
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Daliz: No, for the games that do not use CEG, activation is not necessary.

1. Install Steam, login
2. Install game
3. Exit Steam
(4. Move the game away from steam directory)
5. Run .exe

Some games might not work that way because the "first time setup" makes registry entries, sometimes containing cd-keys. For example ArmA2. But it does not connect or activate anything.
THX :)
Posted January 22, 2014
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RafaelLopez: Wait, all these games need the client app to be installed, internet connection to validate and run the first time right? That's not what DRM-free means. The fact that they don't use CEG is irrelevant.
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Neobr10: No, this is not how it works. You're making some false assumptions here. You just need Steam to download a DRM-free game. Once you download it, it's over. You can run it without ever touching Steam again and even make a backup of the game files to install in other PCs.

Once a DRM-free game is downloaded through Steam it works exactly the same way as a GOG game. The only difference is that GOG does not force people to use a downloader to download the games, Steam does. But that's it. Many other digital stores also force users to use their own download managers (such as Impulse/Gamestop, Gamefly, Gamersgate). Claiming that such a requirement to download the game is DRM is stretching it a bit too far in my opinion.
But as Steam doesn't officially sell any games as DRM-free, there is no hope to get a refund if any of those supposedly DRM-free games later gets DRM'ed just before I would have downloaded it. While the odds for bad timing like that may seem unlikely, they are not zero and that means that I have no trouble to keep boycotting Steam with no exceptions.
Posted January 22, 2014
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JAAHAS: But as Steam doesn't officially sell any games as DRM-free, there is no hope to get a refund if any of those supposedly DRM-free games later gets DRM'ed just before I would have downloaded it. While the odds for bad timing like that may seem unlikely, they are not zero and that means that I have no trouble to keep boycotting Steam with no exceptions.
I think that's some slippery slope right there, especially when such a case has never happened, but the opposite has (a DRMed game than went DRM-free, such as HL2). But, well, whatever floats your boat. If you don't like Steam there really is no reason to use it.

Steam indeed is not commited to selling DRM-free games. I was just pointing out the fact that Steam =/= DRM. Steam is just a digital store like any other. Not every game on it has DRM.
Posted January 23, 2014
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JAAHAS: But as Steam doesn't officially sell any games as DRM-free, there is no hope to get a refund if any of those supposedly DRM-free games later gets DRM'ed just before I would have downloaded it. While the odds for bad timing like that may seem unlikely, they are not zero and that means that I have no trouble to keep boycotting Steam with no exceptions.
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Neobr10: I think that's some slippery slope right there, especially when such a case has never happened, but the opposite has (a DRMed game than went DRM-free, such as HL2). But, well, whatever floats your boat. If you don't like Steam there really is no reason to use it.

Steam indeed is not commited to selling DRM-free games. I was just pointing out the fact that Steam =/= DRM. Steam is just a digital store like any other. Not every game on it has DRM.
Most argue that the Steam client itself IS DRM since you need it to run the game. Desura on the other hand gives the option of downloading their game on its own if the developer and publisher don't have DRM.
Posted January 23, 2014
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grunthos64: Most argue that the Steam client itself IS DRM since you need it to run the game.
As Neobr10 said, there are games on steam that you don't need the client to run them. HL2 being one of them.
Posted January 23, 2014
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grunthos64: Most argue that the Steam client itself IS DRM since you need it to run the game.
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JMich: As Neobr10 said, there are games on steam that you don't need the client to run them. HL2 being one of them.
Wow when did that happen? That trips the crap out of me Its always been Steam only
Posted January 23, 2014
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JMich: As Neobr10 said, there are games on steam that you don't need the client to run them. HL2 being one of them.
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grunthos64: Wow when did that happen? That trips the crap out of me Its always been Steam only
Install steam, download Half Life 2. Move HL2 folder to another computer (steam optional). Run hl2.exe
More info on this thread. A post detailing for Portal can be found here.
So for quite a few games, steam is just a delivery method, not DRM. For others it is still required though.
Posted January 23, 2014
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grunthos64: Wow when did that happen? That trips the crap out of me Its always been Steam only
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JMich: Install steam, download Half Life 2. Move HL2 folder to another computer (steam optional). Run hl2.exe
More info on this thread. A post detailing for Portal can be found here.
So for quite a few games, steam is just a delivery method, not DRM. For others it is still required though.
Valve hasn't really gone out of its way to tell anyone or anything? I bet you had to go down to the basement cellar with a flashlight where the stairs were gone and was in a locked file cabinet with the sigh 'beware of the leopard'
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