I don't see why I should avoid to get free games on gog while I boycott it. I don't pay for free games.

Also I don't see why do you see a problem with buying drm free games on other stores like epic. I don't see any problem with that. And I don't think epic is worst than steam (they have more drm free games so I think epic is actually a better place). And I think all clients when required to play games are bad but as a downloader I don't see any problem with epic, while I find galaxy to be much more aggressive (it try to run even when you run the game from the exe if it's installed for too many games on gog).

Hell if gog would just avoid to lie and say "we sell drm games now" I would be disappointed of course but I would not boycott them, I would just buy drm free games like usual.

The main point to boycott gog for me at least is that I don't want to support liars, give money to them. But of course I will continue to use my own account, I paid for many games here, and I see no reason not to get more free games since I don't support gog if I just get free games.

Of course other people will boycott their own way. I just don't see any reason to give gog more money and that's all.

Also I just said that there are many things that are as important as drm free for me. The main thing is I don't support lie.

I think is more much hypocritical to say to be for drm free and just ignore this release and continue to buy on gog.
If you really support drm free gog is not a must. There are many drm free games out there sold on other store, epic, steam, humble bundle etc... The only reason to buy from gog was to get all drm free games 100%. If that's not possible the case anymore gog is just another store and a bad one for many things like consumer support. And if they lie too on the top I don't see any reasons to buy from them anymore.


Ps. Also like lolplatypus said "As far as boycotting, the thread for that adds "to whatever degree one is comfortable"" so that's my degree of confortable boycott.

I've never knowingly bought any games with DRM besides disk or codewheel based (ie offline). I have no intention of buying anything off Steam or Epic now I'm boycotting GOG. I would like to add though, Linux is important to me and Steam do seem to care about it so that would be a good reason to start shopping there.

Well that's just stupid. I'm not giving GOG any more money but why shouldn't I claim free games off them?

Well seen when done in the end, you do not boycott. How do you want us to respect see even that gog listens to you or respect you on idea. Since you say that you boycott gog but in the end no because you still maintain certain exchanges with gog.

I am not surprised that Gog prefers to remain silent since in the end the majority of people who say who boycots in the end is not a real boycott who do. Since they maintain a certain commercial or exchange relationship even if free play. So in the end their words are only a lie in the end. Why would gog listen to these people. Already that is not the majority of buyers. Sur gog, then in addition if a large part lies, it is sure that gog will not be listened to.
Simply to show that you respect what you say. If you say one thing and you do the opposite. Why would the reverse part listen to you?

I think it is interesting that you are seemingly trying to spin this around to make it seem like it is somehow the users who are to blame for this situation because they are not boycotting to the standard you prefer, and not gog, who are releasing games with drm, and then remaining completely silent.

Feel free to correct me, if I have somehow misunderstood what you are trying to communicate.

I'm doing exactly what I say: not spending money on GOG.

Boycott doesn't mean that. Means any exchange with the company. So even free games. By accepting the free game, you do not cut the bridge because there is always a hidden exchange (and so gog comes out a winner). And anyway, the free game on gog is not really free either. Because use account and info. The other always got something. While a boycott is, as they say, completely cut off the bridges.

And considering that you therefore maintain certain exchanges with gog while you say that you boycott. How gog wants to take you seriously. Especially those who say they boycott gog are only a minority.

Honestly, running off to Steam would only lower the exposure to when they screw up.

Now don't get me wrong, if they actually abandoned DRM-Free, I'd fuck off to Zoom Platform, but there's no real reason to believe that this is anything more than a screwup based on a manipulative company exploiting a loophole.

What we're seeing now is what we should be seeing all the time - bad moves punished, good moves rewarded.

If people only care enough to bitch, do they really care?

So how do you expect that to work out with GOG in the real world?

"Hey guys, HappyPunkPotato hasn't bought anything in a year, should we take that seriously?"
"Nah, they're still using our servers to download free games, we're doing great!"

Even if he has not bought anything, he recovers the games for free and therefore trades with gog, who recovers something in exchange. So as I said gog is a winner in the end even if it's not money (you think that there is direct money). Apart from that, it's not just that gog interests you and that allows you to develop yourself. For example customer information is equally important. Outside, it is not the purpose of a boycott.

I do not denigrate the boycott, I respect those who do it well. But the others on the contrary it is the hypocrysia and even worse, they really harm the cause of the boycotting and the idea which defends concerning the current problems of gog. Because they give a dirty reputation of liar to those who respect the boycott and therefore can harm on the confidence on the possible exchange with gog.

Because you're doing business with them. You're taking part in the store. It being like boycotting a store, then talking in and going to the register "only for the free samples." Boycott means a refusal to do business. If the business can lure you to bend that for some convenience, it makes it very obvious your moral limits can be bent. Boycott does not mean "I only do business when it's convenient and doesn't benefit them in a way I consider meaningful." It means no business.

I expect them to say "yeah we know, but they inflate our sales numbers and player investment. They are still helping us by doing business with us, even if it's not the way we want them to."

You can't be serious. You can't look at this situation and declare "the only possible explanation for Hitman's DRM is GoG openly lying and being okay with it, there is no potential this is a loophole abuse with complex contract negotiations and re-writing that needs to be done," and then sit here and defend Epic Games. You cannot possible be serious. The fucking launcher that didnt have a shopping cart until recently from the company has been caught not just lying but inciting people to breach of contract and under the table financial theft. You can't possible be serious right now. If you are I'm calling this a no turd twice rule and moving on.

What is hypocritical about my stance of "well, I'm going to have to be more restrained when buying from GoG and more willing to test for and look out for further DRM in the future." This is not an all or nothing, I can lower my faith in GoG storefront to less absolute and still do business with them while 1 staring any DRM locked games as the non-functional software they are.

It is incredibly hypocritical to demand you don't do business with GoG on the basis that it has DRM content, but say Steam and Epic are perfectly fine if you just find the non-DRM ones. You're just picking on GoG like a child throwing a tantrum because he isn't getting the answer he wants this second. Here's something, Did you contact GoG and give them a chance to respond? Would you accept them saying "we are still co-ordinating and discussing our response," if it were made in 48 hours? Or are you going to not listen to their statement because it isn't the two response you want? I have my hypothesis, I have to wonder if it will be proven.

And as I said, if you think Epic or Valve have good customer support and honestly believe that, you are ignorant beyond saving.

Possibly, but even in that case GOG could have that and the money which I am just going to presume they care about. Practically speaking barely any of this matters to begin with because GOG knows how they are doing financially and if their recent business decisions don't negatively impact their bottom line, it doesn't matter how strict some people define their personal boycotts, it's a non-issue either way.

From a personal point of view, though, how much does it matter if I buy one game per year or none at all, if before that I reliably bought twenty per year? Either way, it's a substantial net loss. And I don't think pointing that out harms the 'real' boycott at all, but adds to it. I mean, even if I take your argument as an established premise, GOG would still see a subset of customers who are so unsatisfied with the service that they cease all interaction, and another subset of customers who are so unsatisfied with the service that they take the freebies and otherwise greatly reduce their spending. If GOG were to look at that and, as you say, don't take the second group of clearly unsatisfied customers seriously because they don't completely abandon ship outright, then what are we even doing here?

I think it is a mistake to attack users who are not living up to someones perceived standards of a boycott or moral standards, and not gog. I would assume this is exactly what gog would like. It further divides the resistance.

It would be more understandable if one debated users who are openly defending gogs decisions, or spent the energy informing those who are not aware of the situation to begin with.

I think challenging eachothers ideas and responses to the situation if of value. IF we are here discussing whether or not it's acceptable to even call the game functional without DRM. and what response we should take in regards to it, then challenging eachother onto what should be the response is entirely on the table. Though I do agree we need be carful to keep this directed on Hitman and it's DRM in at least some measure. I'd call defending Epic Games Store while shitting on GoG and misrepresenting the events happening here classified as important.

As a note, and the reason I came to post, is this line has been added to the store page.

"Please note: Internet connection is required to access Escalation missions, Elusive Targets or user-created Contracts. Story and bonus missions can be played offline."

I can confirm using waybackmachine this is new. Since the descriptions are written by the developer and GoG has made no formal response, this is clearly IO trying to cover it's ass at the last minute. Let me be clear that this disclaimer does nothing. If half your game is locked behind an lockout, you are either falsely advertising a demo as a full game, or have a DRM. If IO tries to claim "well we warned people," call this out as crap.

The term is "virtue signaling"