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Posted April 01, 2016
The lost chapter in the Bhaalspawn saga

<span class="bold">Siege of Dragonspear</span>, the brand new expansion that bridges the gap between Baldur's Gate I and II, is now available, DRM-free on GOG.com.

What happened to our heroes after they defeated Sarevok and before they ended up captives inside Jon Irenicus' prison lab? Did they stick together? Did they drift apart? Did Boo get to bite any more delicious eyeballs? The brand new 25-hour expansion Siege of Dragonspear promises to answer these pressing questions, which have been lingering for 18 whole years, while also delivering an adventure worth of Baldur's Gate's glorious legacy.

A powerful army led by a charismatic warrior only known as the Shining Lady has been pillaging the Sword Coast, forcibly enlisting locals and causing general unrest. Even more disturbing are the rumors of her also being the child of a god. A showdown is inevitable.
Siege of Dragonspear brings your party to entirely new areas of the Sword Coast, facing new monsters, finding new loot, and tackling new quests. All your companions from Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition return and are joined here by Captain Schael Corwin, a deadshot archer, Voghiln the Vast, a mighty northerner warrior, M’Khiin Grubdoubler, a goblin shaman (new class), and Glint Gardnersonson, the kind gnome cleric. Your RPG experience gets even more enhanced thanks to the improved UI and Infinity Engine features, which will feel both familiar and welcome to new and seasoned players alike.

If you want to get the OST from the original Baldur's Gate, plus the extra tracks composed for the Enhanced Edition and Siege of Dragonspear, you can also grab <span class="bold">Siege of Dragonspear - Digital Deluxe Edition</span>.
Note that GOG Galaxy support for achievements in Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition, and Baldur's Gate Enhanced Edition - Siege of Dragonspear is going to be implemented in the near future.

Continue the saga of the Bhaalspawn and deal with a rising power in <span class="bold">Siege of Dragonspear</span>, DRM-free on GOG.com.

Siege of Dragonspear requires <span class="bold">Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition</span> on GOG.com. You can pick up Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition at 75% off, or 85% off if you own the original saga

Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition will be 75% off until April 4 11:59 PM PDT / April 5 2:59 AM EDT/ 7:59 BST and 60% off until April 29 10:59 AM PDT / 1:59 PM EDT / 18:59 BST. The 85% discount for owners of the original saga will last until April 29 10:59 AM PDT / 1:59 PM EDT / 18:59 BST.
Post edited April 02, 2016 by maladr0Id
Posted April 07, 2016
Well as all these complaints were purely about the 'bad writing/implementation' and not just 90% entitled gamergate man babies complaining about diversity and trying to shroud it in other criticisms, then the critics must indeed be happy that there will be more trans character implementation as a result. Everyone wins! Hopefully their message will be spread further and result in major trans characters in even bigger franchises.
Posted April 07, 2016
I don't understand this :

the user reviews on Steam : mostly positive ( 237 reviews )
the user reviews on Gog : 2,5 stars ( 972 votes )
Posted April 07, 2016
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Painted_Doll: I don't understand this :

the user reviews on Steam : mostly positive ( 237 reviews )
the user reviews on Gog : 2,5 stars ( 972 votes )
Did you forget that Gog doesn't check purchases for reviews?
Post edited April 07, 2016 by phaolo
Posted April 07, 2016
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Painted_Doll: I don't understand this :

the user reviews on Steam : mostly positive ( 237 reviews )
the user reviews on Gog : 2,5 stars ( 972 votes )
Any gobshite can post a review on GOG without buying the game first, hence the tsunami of hate "reviews" here.
Posted April 07, 2016
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Painted_Doll: I don't understand this :

the user reviews on Steam : mostly positive ( 237 reviews )
the user reviews on Gog : 2,5 stars ( 972 votes )
I was going to say it looks like Steam may have pruned a lot of the rigged reviews and voting. Their top-voted review, which is still resoundingly negative, only has 600 votes, and the top negative reviews mention bugs and writing instead of outright political complaints. But all that happened was the more politicized reviews with higher vote counts got edged out of top place by a couple of percentage points.

Mostly positive means 70% positive in this case, and Steam user reviews require paying for the game. GOG would probably look the same as Steam if the outside reviews were removed.
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Painted_Doll: I don't understand this :

the user reviews on Steam : mostly positive ( 237 reviews )
the user reviews on Gog : 2,5 stars ( 972 votes )
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F1ach: Any gobshite can post a review on GOG without buying the game first, hence the tsunami of hate "reviews" here.
You can vote for reviews on Steam without buying the game, which makes sense since a "helpful" review could convince you to not buy something. That explains why the combined review rating is moderately positive but all the top-voted reviews are highly negative.

Someone also wrote you can post DLC reviews on Steam if you only have the parent game. So that 70% could be artificially low.
Post edited April 07, 2016 by wvpr
Posted April 08, 2016
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Painted_Doll: I don't understand this :

the user reviews on Steam : mostly positive ( 237 reviews )
the user reviews on Gog : 2,5 stars ( 972 votes )
I admit those numbers are surprising (I mean the totals). I would understand people on gog being more concerned by a BG game than people on steam (from an absolute standpoint). I don't understand people on gog feeling more concerned by this BG game than people on steam.
Posted April 08, 2016
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Painted_Doll: I don't understand this :

the user reviews on Steam : mostly positive ( 237 reviews )
the user reviews on Gog : 2,5 stars ( 972 votes )
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Potzato: I admit those numbers are surprising (I mean the totals). I would understand people on gog being more concerned by a BG game than people on steam (from an absolute standpoint). I don't understand people on gog feeling more concerned by this BG game than people on steam.
The sale could've factored in, bringing in people who didn't originally want to buy EE into the fold.
Posted April 08, 2016
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Painted_Doll: I don't understand this :

the user reviews on Steam : mostly positive ( 237 reviews )
the user reviews on Gog : 2,5 stars ( 972 votes )
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Potzato: I admit those numbers are surprising (I mean the totals). I would understand people on gog being more concerned by a BG game than people on steam (from an absolute standpoint). I don't understand people on gog feeling more concerned by this BG game than people on steam.
GOG and Steam both got hit by lots of reviews and ratings from people who heard the game had things they didn't like in it. They hadn't actually played it. It's easier to post reviews and ratings on GOG without paying for the game, so GOG's numbers are skewed more toward the angry mob. If GOG wasn't so easy to sabotage, the ratings would be closer.

Steam's review numbers are not the same thing as GOG's rating votes. Steam's "mostly positive" 237 reviews only count written reviews, not votes or silent ratings. You have to have the Baldur's Gate EE base game on Steam to post a review, but apparently not the DLC, so there may be some dishonest rigging in the reviews present despite the limits on who can post. Steam lets anyone vote reviews up or down, so non-owners with an agenda were able to stack the top of the review list with negative politicized reviews despite the overall positive reception from purchasers.

GOG's 972 rating votes are mostly standalone star ratings that didn't include a review. The number of written reviews on GOG's Dragonspear page is around 165. There's no purchase requirement for GOG, so the reviews and star votes are unreliable to say the least.

Having this many dishonest reviews stay up is a real embarrassment for GOG. I hope they come up with a solution before it happens again.
Posted April 08, 2016
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The problem is the writer can't write.( unless your into junior high fan fiction)


Having this many dishonest reviews stay up is a real embarrassment for GOG. I hope they come up with a solution before it happens again.

Yeah, blame GOG this is all their fault that nobody like Beamdog...
Post edited April 08, 2016 by titmo
Posted April 08, 2016
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Painted_Doll: I don't understand this :

the user reviews on Steam : mostly positive ( 237 reviews )
the user reviews on Gog : 2,5 stars ( 972 votes )
Most of those votes from GOG probably are the SJW-type of people and many reviews here in GOG are just plain, utter trash, sometimes devoid of factual and logical content.

For example: Someone gave Icewind Dale: Enhanced Edition 5 stars with one line of sentence: So Amazing!

Why is it amazing? You won't know because the author was just plain lazy in filling us the details why the game is amazing.
Post edited April 08, 2016 by makaikishi
Posted April 08, 2016
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titmo: The problem is the writer can't write.( unless your into junior high fan fiction)

Having this many dishonest reviews stay up is a real embarrassment for GOG. I hope they come up with a solution before it happens again.

Yeah, blame GOG this is all their fault that nobody like Beamdog...
70% of Steam reviewers gave the game a positive review. That's a lot more than nobody liking the game. But all the reviews that get voted to the top are negative. GOG's top-voted review for days gave the game one star for a one-line joke. That's not insightful criticism, yet 1224 accounts voted it up.

I don't blame GOG for people abusing their review system. But GOG needs to deal with the flaws to prevent this kind of large-scale rigging from taking place. Useful reviews come from people who've played the game and can communicate their experiences, not random drive-bys who have a bone to pick with the developer. The Dragonspear review page is such a mess that there's no way to tell what the average game experience is. The most negative reviews get mass-voted to the top for being negative, and the informative reviews are buried among the politicized reviews. At least for new releases, GOG needs to stop accepting reviews from random accounts who haven't paid for and downloaded the game.
Posted April 08, 2016
https://www.facebook.com/TheEdVerse/posts/10153299495021534

https://archive.is/20160408054700/https://www.facebook.com/TheEdVerse/posts/10153299495021534%23

Ed Greenwood
Yesterday at 7:06pm

As the cut and thrust over Siege of Dragonspear continues, it seems to me that many posters on the matter have wildly (in some cases, perhaps willfully) misinterpreted what I've said.

I have NOT commented on how the game is written or plays, because (for years now) I have not been shown computer game licenses for my approval/lore input...including this one, so I CAN'T ethically comment on it (as I haven't seen it).
I posted what I did in response to online gamer comments that claimed a trans character, or lesbian or gay characters, weren't in keeping with the lore of the Realms, and that there was no canon basis for them. That is BS, because such characters have been in the setting since before D&D or ANY computer games existed (yes, I created the Realms in the mid 1960s, before any roleplaying games had been crafted).

So no one "misled" me, and no one is muzzling or directing what I say or can't say. I spoke out against some false arguments within my area of expertise (want "the" master of Realmslore? well, that'd be me), and went farther reacting to the hatred and vitriol expressed by some against people that in some cases they've never met and never will.

I have not defended the writing or coding of the game, because I can't, simply because I have not personally seen or played it. And, no, I'm not avoiding this or any computer game deliberately; I simply have no time in my life for playing computer games except as part of paid work: I have a wife to nurse and a day job to hold down; writing, game design, and publishing are all "second job" work for me. Yes, really.
Posted April 08, 2016
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ValamirCleaver: https://www.facebook.com/TheEdVerse/posts/10153299495021534

https://archive.is/20160408054700/https://www.facebook.com/TheEdVerse/posts/10153299495021534%23

Ed Greenwood
Yesterday at 7:06pm

As the cut and thrust over Siege of Dragonspear continues, it seems to me that many posters on the matter have wildly (in some cases, perhaps willfully) misinterpreted what I've said.

I have NOT commented on how the game is written or plays, because (for years now) I have not been shown computer game licenses for my approval/lore input...including this one, so I CAN'T ethically comment on it (as I haven't seen it).
I posted what I did in response to online gamer comments that claimed a trans character, or lesbian or gay characters, weren't in keeping with the lore of the Realms, and that there was no canon basis for them. That is BS, because such characters have been in the setting since before D&D or ANY computer games existed (yes, I created the Realms in the mid 1960s, before any roleplaying games had been crafted).

So no one "misled" me, and no one is muzzling or directing what I say or can't say. I spoke out against some false arguments within my area of expertise (want "the" master of Realmslore? well, that'd be me), and went farther reacting to the hatred and vitriol expressed by some against people that in some cases they've never met and never will.

I have not defended the writing or coding of the game, because I can't, simply because I have not personally seen or played it. And, no, I'm not avoiding this or any computer game deliberately; I simply have no time in my life for playing computer games except as part of paid work: I have a wife to nurse and a day job to hold down; writing, game design, and publishing are all "second job" work for me. Yes, really.
What do you expect him to say? Are you guys using common sense? Is not about critizicing transexuality in most part of the cases, in others sadly, it is. Is about how transexuality is fitted in the game, by someone that is trans? Seriously? In D&D world, more in Forgotten Realms, and a CLERIC, where he or she can find very easy ways to TOTALLY transform itself into a woman?

Why not to tell this story into the lore? I repeat would make the character both more interesting and fitting in the world, being the creator of Forgotten Realms 60 years ago give you the same vision as George Lucas revisiting STARWARS.

So why not, we all know Forgotten Realms pretty well, a story about this cleric as the alchemist that made possible a sex change spell ever? and her fight to achieve this? Would that not be something much greater for the game and still keeping the same inclusive message?

A trans in Forgotten Realms is accepted, but is BAD WRITING by itself, because it doesn't fit the BIG GENDER POSSIBILITIES of the World itself.
Post edited April 08, 2016 by YaTEdiGo
Posted April 08, 2016
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Painted_Doll: I don't understand this :

the user reviews on Steam : mostly positive ( 237 reviews )
the user reviews on Gog : 2,5 stars ( 972 votes )
Steam and Metacritic are being accused of removing negative reviews - and this game is currently rated a 3.8/10 at Metacritic, so you can imagine how low it would be otherwise. That could explain it right there.
Posted April 08, 2016
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Painted_Doll: I don't understand this :

the user reviews on Steam : mostly positive ( 237 reviews )
the user reviews on Gog : 2,5 stars ( 972 votes )
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Woofy: Steam and Metacritic are being accused of removing negative reviews - and this game is currently rated a 3.8/10 at Metacritic, so you can imagine how low it would be otherwise. That could explain it right there.
Actually, I don´t know if that is truth, but 2 days ago the votes on Steam were "mixed" and recently changed to mostly positive.

Seems negative posts were deleted, but not proof for now that Steam deleted reviews.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/4d8spf/baldurs_gate_siege_of_dragonspear_developers_beg/
Post edited April 08, 2016 by YaTEdiGo
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