true, but running games on a build in gpu isnt recommendend :D

its not the 3d model i dont care.... it is the fact the entire world turns in 360 degrees, you can look up, down left right, zoom in and out and more nasty side effects games can have. ( like tons of lightning bolts, ) oh and tips like these wont help when you really have problems with motions, trust me. Anyway well i want to have a good setup, as for willing to invest: i am willing to invest tons, problem is i dont have tons,if i had the cash i would buy what i need regardless of the price, since i dont have money to burn, i want to get a setup i can play with for at least 4 to 6 years, but without the frustration i have now :D.

Anyway i watched some i9700 and have to admit fps were smooth , i figured: if i can get a rig that can run a very demanding top 10 game ( regarding system req.) without burning the house, and with lots of ghz , i could finally play all the games in removed because of cpu bashing ( because the devs did not know how to properly code a game)
thats the one and only reason i want a strong PC.

Sounds like you want to play indie and/or "casual" games... Get a GTX 1050 and the cheapest i3 or Ryzen and you'll be set for years.

a GTX 970 ? i know that card i read the 1060 3gb i wanted to buy had some coilwhine according to many gamers,
...

GTX 970 coil whine a few Google results:


GTX 970 coil whine fixes | Tom's Hardware Forum
https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/gtx-970-coil-whine-fixes.2613813/

Feb 26, 2016 - I just got a EVGA GTX 970 SSC and it has a bit of coil whine. It's not horrible and I hear many 970's have it so I'm reluctant to RMA it and get ...


watched some videos and i expected a high pitched sound like a dentist drill or other nasty tool sounds like chain saw when sawing planks ... all i heard were somewhat anoying sounds .

Anyway i dont hear my current gpu whining , i do hear some thing like coal bubbling or rattle sounds but thats probably my old 5400 RPM and 7200 rpm hd that are dying :D >5 years old so , daily use 4-6 hours , so there is nothing that can be reused,meaning the old pc will stay as it is.

i do like the simple games, but not out of free will, you can compare it with education, people might want to be come a techengineer or similar, some a musician, even a dentist, problem is it doesnt work that way, never did never will, you can try some things thats what the base education is for ( LBO in Dutch)after kindergarten you get a 4 to 6 years school then at 11 or 12 things start to take shape: 3 to 4 years ( if you dont flunk) : furing this period you will discoevr what you can and cant and what will be the best way to pursue.
Many times you choose the wrong direction , and end up not what you expected it to end up like.

Anyway if all things in life were as easy as black and white without all the of shades of grey everyone would be a CEO earning millions :D

Pc market nowadays is kinda difficult. I´ve seen "gaming" desktops advertised on big shopping centers with celeron n4100 cpu, wich is quad-core but very low power, most suited to a tablet than a desktop.

The i5-8400 is completelly different market segment than the 9700k, wich is very fast but 2x the price of the 8400.
The 9700k also support overclock and to be able to overclock, you need a expensive motherboard (z380 chipset), they will work just fine without overclock on a lower tier motherboard though.
The new i5-9400f is pretty much the same as the i5-8400 but without integrated graphics and sometimes are a little cheaper.

I´m sorry if we actually get you with more confusion than clarity but prices are constantly changing so it´s hard to recomend the better deal.
If I was to build a general use/gaming pc at the moment, I would choose the i5-8400/ 9400f or the ryzen 2600 (since you prefer intel I guess this is a non-go option), 8 Gb cheap 2666mhz RAM (or 16Gb but you can upgrade later), A Radeon Rx570 cheap GPU and M.2 SDD (wich for me is a must). This a bullet-proof build, no bottlenecks, nice upgrade path if needed later. Maybe there´s no need for a powerfull pc now but who knows what we will play later...

Since you don´t play triple A titles (<- insert Jim Sterling voice here) like me I would share my main pc current specs. Keep in mind that I have 5 pc´s and use them all.
Pentium G3258 dual core OC to 4.2Ghz <- is on the low power side, even web browsers can use 100% of cores for several seconds
Radeon Rx480 undervolted and underclocked, Still more than enough to play at 1080p 60fps any title I want to play
8Gb Ram
Never saw it draw more than 110W from the wall with a inefficient power supply, more teaking can make the pc use less than 90W gaming and 25W idle.
This runs every title I want to play, smoothly on a 1080p 60hz display. Dirt rally, Assetto corsa, Brawlhalla, Wesnoth and some small indie titles are the most used at the moment. Strategy games like Civilization or cities skilines do need a better cpu, but usually lower FPS are not a problem.

Crap, I wrote too many lines... rant over!

It might be more of a problem than with other cards; but the presence of a loud minority complaining on the internet doesn't mean that the risk is "huge".
I bought my 970 second hand from someone on Tweakers that was very communicative about the state of the product.
I meant no judgement. Indie games usually have a lot lower system requirements than the latest AAA titles, that's all.
I know M.2 is technically faster, but when do you actually notice that difference?

"The i5-8400 is completelly different market segment than the 9700k, wich is very fast but 2x the price of the 8400.
The 9700k also support overclock and to be able to overclock, you need a expensive motherboard (z380 chipset), they will work just fine without overclock on a lower tier motherboard though.
The new i5-9400f is pretty much the same as the i5-8400 but without integrated graphics and sometimes are a little cheaper."


about the: (z380 chipset), cant find a board with that set , did found z390 chipset,
if that will do , mobo is : Gigabyte Z390 UD , i forgot to mention that .
Price is quite affordable 129 to 159 euros ( mayb that is not the mobo you mentioned?)


memory 2666 ? i have 3000 from corsair its DDR4 Vengeance LPX 2 modules of 8 gb , will it suffice ?
The GTX 1060 G1 Gaming 3GB is quite expensive ; around 275 - 300 euros
seems the 6 gb is 315 or so (maybe prices will fall or rise)
The 9700K 3.6GHz = indeed earthshocking 450-529 euros

almost forgot a powersupply :450 will do i guess?

Anyway there is no rush cause it is all quite expensive so it will take some time to save it and prices might have fallen, unless some chips factyory burns down, or water damage
, or similar things that always happend to Intel only :D

You are paying premium prices for Intel and Nvidia because, just like you, so many people (being misinformed or just fanboys) supported these anti-consumer companies over the years. If it wasn't for AMD, we'll still be having 4 cores / 8 threads CPUs as high-end desktop CPUs for then next few years.

Intel and Nvidia sabotaged AMD with every chance they got. Just google about GeForce Partner Program (GPP), or about G-sync, a technology you pay extra $200, compared to the AMD's counterpart which is free.


When you do benchmarks :P or video editing with very big files.

none taken :D its okay i m not easily offended or hurt .....

as for AAA , Ageofempires and similar were also AA in the 90s? if so i have lots of them, and never had problems,.

I mean relatively recent AAA games. Old games are old games, it doesn't matter if they were indie or triple A. Any modern CPU/GPU can handle Crysis. ;-)

Is that within the context of this topic?

It's in the context of NVMe over SATA SSDs.

Oh, I see. In that case the OP should get dual 16 core Xeon CPUs.... because they're so fast.

Any advice on specific parts we would give you now will be hopelessley outdated in two years.

The Intel Core i7-9700K is indeed very fast but also expensive and I think a Core i5-9500 or Core i5-9400 would be plenty enough. Graphics are annoying as so many 2D games have such silly high demands but the new 1660 (I think the Ti version is overkill for 2D) or maybe the 1650 should be enough but you will have to look through the demands of your games and wishlist.

There are programs meant for easy overclocking that can with good effect just as well be used for underclocking on the fly. Good when a game is frying your computer. I have not myself used the MSI Afterburner but its name keeps popping up as a great tool for lots of things and I read it works on other than MSI hardware too.

There are these new monitors with built in frame limiting (G-sync/Freesync) and that sounds nice but I do not know much more about them except you need support in the monitor and the graphics card and drivers for it to work.

If you like, I can help you on anything PC related for building, I used to have a job building Custom pc's in my city before leaving it to do my own side job in that field. just hit me up with any questions you have with parts. I should be able to give you answers to what you want.

Exited that you are building a custom pc, got to love that feeling of getting a new rig up and enjoying what it can do! :)

My second build was using a i5 4690k and a 1060 6gb. It ran most games in 1080p without a hitch. The 1060 6gb was definitely an upgrade from my gtx 750ti from my first build.

The 750 was able to handle most 3d and 2d games. To give you an example, it was able to handle Witcher 2 on Ultra but just barely. It gave me 5 crashes throughout the whole game but I manage to beat the game without changing anything.

The 1060 was able to handle Skyrim Special Edition at max settings. I think you should be fine with either a 1060 3gb or 6gb in case you're worried about coil whine and this model: GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 1060 DirectX 12 GV-N1060IXOC-6GD 6GB 192-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 ATX Video Card, gave me no problems as far as coil whine goes.

If you notice my previous post where I mention my main pc specs you notice I am running a dual core, 5 year old cpu that even don´t have M.2 support on the motherboard.
Just to clear this up, I need the fastest storage I can get due the work I do regulary. General use between chepeast kingston a400 SSD (wich I own 6 of them) and a samsung 860 M.2 is not very different, boot times on Linux Mint is maybe 5 seconds faster at the most.

I mean z390 chipset indeed, was a typo, sorry for that.
3000 MHz ram is just fine. Max supported frequency of i5 8400/9400f is 2666MHz and the motherboard will choose a appropriate speed without problems.

Power supply is a entire can of worms by itself but any renowed brand 30 amps+ total on the 12v rail and you will be on the very safe side and fine.

My recomendation is to find some one willing to help that knows "your style" and understand what you like to do with the pc, otherwise is just confusing. To give one exemple, I like to tweak with the pc, so any thing I say maybe won´t be plug and play, wich for me isn´t a problem but might be for you. Or a person that really only plays the latest and "greatest" titles vs you only play older games and/or emulation.

DreamedArtist did a nice offer to you, might be worth checking out.

Don´t forget used market, I don´t know your current specs but I´ve built a lot of pc´s using used parts for very cheap. Using i7-2600, i5-3470, i5-4460 etc, those can be had complete for the price of only a good motherboard and still have a lot of life on them.
Heck, I just bought a 15 euros lenovo m57e with a core2duo that plays older and indie titles just fine!