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gamesfreak64: Problem with dedicated cpu coolers: they are heavvy: i see coolers at 400 gram even at 900 thats almos 1 klio, its like placing a bag of sugar on top of the cpu , such load cant be good for theat cpu to bear.
Cpu coolers have springs to load against the CPU itself to provide better contact.
On regular desktop cases the CPU is in vertical position so most of the weight will be supported by the motherboard fixing plate, not the CPU.
That said, for regular use, most CPU coolers don´t need to be replaced unless you´re overclocking or want less noise (it depends on the other parts, as many power supply fans are not silent and some GPU are quite noisy). Intel coolers are not great but they do theyr job but prebuilt computers usually have better coolers, assuming the weather is not +40ºC
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gamesfreak64: true, power option can set it , i forgot to set max to 100% its at 99% so it wont go past 2.7 gh ( 2.66ghz is the top)
if i set 50% and 99% the cpu will start at a higher speed.... meaning the default temps will be higher , so i set it back to 5 and 99%

using stock cooler , new pc will have more fans , at least 3 , preferably 4 or 5 a larger PC case .
Problem with dedicated cpu coolers: they are heavvy: i see coolers at 400 gram even at 900 thats almos 1 klio, its like placing a bag of sugar on top of the cpu , such load cant be good for theat cpu to bear.
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Tauto: Didn't know that about coolers,but surely they can take the weight and is it actually on it? OT did you find the My Settings for the Forum Title change from new user to whatever?
no, not found ...... (⊙﹏⊙)

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Themken: Someone HAS to 'touch' the BIOS settings on a new build. If you do not want to yourself, ask a shop to build and do the settings or buy a computer off the shelf.
...............buy a computer off the shelf.

prebuild ? thanks but no thanks , many pre build are weak, too many using i3. ..and i3 is well its a litte 'meh' like 90% of nowadays games are meh :D
I rather have a real PC :D i prefer custom build... besides ... with all the latest new games i save lots of cash could by 2 prebuild i3 right now , but i rather burn the cash (which is forbidden) so i'd use it as toiletpaper ◔‿◔

I guess everyone had a moment like Angriest kid ever. ICH WILL SPIELEN!!! :D , had when the game would start or was to slow , and if would buy a prebuild pc more buttons would be missing besides the ESC button, afteral after spending lots of money only to see games f up because nowadays developerseither cant or are uncapable building games that run like a charm.

Anyway still have the best old games installed: ja2 commandos classic fallout classic , gorky 17and every other real good old game ever developed by real developers, just look t the tiny animations ja2 had yet so well animated, how the climbed, fell down after bwwn shot, some almost spinned/turned around and fell down..., all the nice scenes in fallout 1+2, the conversations in gorky 17, espec. owitz when he panicked , absolute gold.... imho games developed now cant match that.
Post edited May 07, 2019 by gamesfreak64
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gamesfreak64: Problem with dedicated cpu coolers: they are heavvy: i see coolers at 400 gram even at 900 thats almos 1 klio, its like placing a bag of sugar on top of the cpu , such load cant be good for theat cpu to bear.
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Dark_art_: Cpu coolers have springs to load against the CPU itself to provide better contact.
On regular desktop cases the CPU is in vertical position so most of the weight will be supported by the motherboard fixing plate, not the CPU.
That said, for regular use, most CPU coolers don´t need to be replaced unless you´re overclocking or want less noise (it depends on the other parts, as many power supply fans are not silent and some GPU are quite noisy). Intel coolers are not great but they do theyr job but prebuilt computers usually have better coolers, assuming the weather is not +40ºC
Custom build allows to pick any case if you need lots of space you can get it, prebuild use larger cases ( i always buy tower, no desktops, plenty of space in the 'air' less on the ground and 40 celsius inside a case is possible :
weather temp at 25-30 , add 5 to 10 degrees for every level in a house/flat and voila 40 ambient is reached in no time.
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Dark_art_: Cpu coolers have springs to load against the CPU itself to provide better contact.
On regular desktop cases the CPU is in vertical position so most of the weight will be supported by the motherboard fixing plate, not the CPU.
That said, for regular use, most CPU coolers don´t need to be replaced unless you´re overclocking or want less noise (it depends on the other parts, as many power supply fans are not silent and some GPU are quite noisy). Intel coolers are not great but they do theyr job but prebuilt computers usually have better coolers, assuming the weather is not +40ºC
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gamesfreak64: Custom build allows to pick any case if you need lots of space you can get it, prebuild use larger cases ( i always buy tower, no desktops, plenty of space in the 'air' less on the ground and 40 celsius inside a case is possible :
weather temp at 25-30 , add 5 to 10 degrees for every level in a house/flat and voila 40 ambient is reached in no time.
Crikey, I thought tower and desktops were the same.....Now, look at top of this page,right hand side and click on My Settings right next to help.Now look at left top and see Forum Title (change to whatever) if you don't see it then something is wrong.Could be the browser or who knows because I don't :)
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Themken: Someone HAS to 'touch' the BIOS settings on a new build. If you do not want to yourself, ask a shop to build and do the settings or buy a computer off the shelf.
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gamesfreak64: ...............buy a computer off the shelf.

prebuild ? thanks but no thanks , many pre build are weak, too many using i3. ..and i3 is well its a litte 'meh' like 90% of nowadays games are meh :D
I don't know which stores you roam through, but most gamer bundles does NOT mostly consist of i3, oddly enough, at least not in Norway. Besides, an i3 is actually sometimes better than i5 because Hyper-threading in i5 is disabled, and the i3 is good enough for games.

Furthermore, i3 does not support ECC unlike virtually every AMD cpu's, another example of how strange Intel is/are.

Don't remember the exact cpu code, but I went back to my old laptop with i3 because it was way faster and it did better in games (even though non of them had a dedicated graphics card. Just intel).

And Themken is right. Every one has to go through the settings in BIOS because they most likely are not configured correcly. Especially as a gamer one has to properly set up the system in BIOS.

Another thing - Never touch the individual cooling/power policy in Windows, that's begging for trouble (other than setting it for max performence). Better to use a dedicated program for that or to OC. :P
Whether an i3 is enough or not depends on the game but the new 9000 (and the previous 8000 too) series i3's come with four cores (albeit no HT) so are pretty good.
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gamesfreak64: Custom build allows to pick any case if you need lots of space you can get it, prebuild use larger cases ( i always buy tower, no desktops, plenty of space in the 'air' less on the ground and 40 celsius inside a case is possible :
weather temp at 25-30 , add 5 to 10 degrees for every level in a house/flat and voila 40 ambient is reached in no time.
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Tauto: Crikey, I thought tower and desktops were the same.....Now, look at top of this page,right hand side and click on My Settings right next to help.Now look at left top and see Forum Title (change to whatever) if you don't see it then something is wrong.Could be the browser or who knows because I don't :)
regarding towers and desktop being the same:
unless they changed that :


desktop could be compared to a laptop: large, and low in height, like a recordplayer.
check : thisone.png

that is what i call a 'desktop', i know they have smaller ( in height) mini towers : and yes they can be placed on a table
basically anything big can be placed on a table or desk or closet, provided the table can hold the weight,
but when i refer to tower i mean the ones that are placed on the floor, and thats the one i prefer.
Anyway vic, c64 and similar were placed on a desk / table to play ,they were small.
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gamesfreak64: ...............buy a computer off the shelf.

prebuild ? thanks but no thanks , many pre build are weak, too many using i3. ..and i3 is well its a litte 'meh' like 90% of nowadays games are meh :D
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sanscript: I don't know which stores you roam through, but most gamer bundles does NOT mostly consist of i3, oddly enough, at least not in Norway. Besides, an i3 is actually sometimes better than i5 because Hyper-threading in i5 is disabled, and the i3 is good enough for games.

Furthermore, i3 does not support ECC unlike virtually every AMD cpu's, another example of how strange Intel is/are.

Don't remember the exact cpu code, but I went back to my old laptop with i3 because it was way faster and it did better in games (even though non of them had a dedicated graphics card. Just intel).

And Themken is right. Every one has to go through the settings in BIOS because they most likely are not configured correcly. Especially as a gamer one has to properly set up the system in BIOS.

Another thing - Never touch the individual cooling/power policy in Windows, that's begging for trouble (other than setting it for max performence). Better to use a dedicated program for that or to OC. :P
ECC ? not a clue what it stands for so i Googled:
i made one part Bold.

Do I need ECC?
You may have to decide whether you want ECC or non-parity. ... Fortunately, memory errors are rare in today's memory chips, so most average users don't have a need for ECC. If you're planning to use your system as a server or other "mission-critical" machine, we recommend ECC.
If i dont know what something is or stands for ( like ECC) , and / or never heard of it before ( like ECC) it's because i never had the need to buy it iguess, cant remeber having RAM issues , hardware always lasted 4 years(or more) and were replaced by a complete new setup, complete new pc, today ( starting 2002 ( intro of the Euro) 4 years became 10 years :D

Anyway maybe i am to careful with my pc i dont know, never burned things down, cause i never 'played' or 'tweaked' my hardware.
Post edited May 07, 2019 by gamesfreak64
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sanscript: And Themken is right. Every one has to go through the settings in BIOS because they most likely are not configured correcly. Especially as a gamer one has to properly set up the system in BIOS.

Another thing - Never touch the individual cooling/power policy in Windows, that's begging for trouble (other than setting it for max performence). Better to use a dedicated program for that or to OC. :P
Balanced is just fine, no need to high performance.
Setting the CPU minimum state higher, usually makes the CPU use more voltage and heat when idling. It will boost the frequancy higher when needed anyway.
This has been a problem on some latops/tablets where set for max performance actually decreases performance by thermal/power throttling earlier.

Today tweaking the bios is not needed in 90% of the cases besides load default options. Although there is a lot of settings very helpfull, even if the are not overclock or some memory "wizardry", like changing boot sequence or turn off uefi-only boot mode to install older/non-supported Operating Systems.
For exemple, my copy of windows 8.1 can only be installed on legacy mode (non-uefi).

Edit:missing words.
Post edited May 08, 2019 by Dark_art_
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gamesfreak64: Custom build allows to pick any case if you need lots of space you can get it, prebuild use larger cases ( i always buy tower, no desktops, plenty of space in the 'air' less on the ground and 40 celsius inside a case is possible :
weather temp at 25-30 , add 5 to 10 degrees for every level in a house/flat and voila 40 ambient is reached in no time.
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Tauto: Crikey, I thought tower and desktops were the same.....Now, look at top of this page,right hand side and click on My Settings right next to help.Now look at left top and see Forum Title (change to whatever) if you don't see it then something is wrong.Could be the browser or who knows because I don't :)
It works ... i found it , thanks,

i just entered a text: just gaming
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Tauto: Crikey, I thought tower and desktops were the same.....Now, look at top of this page,right hand side and click on My Settings right next to help.Now look at left top and see Forum Title (change to whatever) if you don't see it then something is wrong.Could be the browser or who knows because I don't :)
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gamesfreak64: It works ... i found it , thanks,

i just entered a text: just gaming
You weren't looking hard enough,before:)
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gamesfreak64: It works ... i found it , thanks,

i just entered a text: just gaming
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Tauto: You weren't looking hard enough,before:)
yes i wasnt looking hard enough ..... (︶︹︺)

but i only checked my account settings and after having lots of online ( game) accounts in the past few years everything that can be customised was and usually is availaible from the main account, thats why i didnt know you had to change it in the forum, cause it should be in the main account. ٩◔‿◔۶


Anyway, maybe GOG team might add it to the main account aswell, so we can access everything from the main account ●‿●,