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Posted March 29, 2017
The legend is reborn.



<span class="bold">Planescape: Torment Enhanced Edition</span>, the return of the most celebrated RPG of all time, is now available for pre-order, DRM-free on GOG.com with a 30% discount for owners of the original!

A layered story laced with philosophical undercurrents. A fantasy setting unlike any other. One of the most memorable casts of eccentric, interconnected characters. This is Planescape: Torment, the gold standard for narrative-driven RPGs of the past 18 years. And now it's back!
Beamdog and lead designer <span class="bold">Chris Avellone</span> joined forces to update the game with fixes, enhancements, and key additions, all in sync with the original vision of this timeless masterpiece. With a remastered soundtrack, a crisp 4K interface, and neat convenience features, the Enhanced Edition is coming to captivate a new audience and remind its dedicated fans why they just seem unable to take it off their all-time favorites list.


The 30% discount for owners of <span class="bold">Planescape: Torment</span> will last until April 4, 9 PM UTC.

Note: <span class="bold">Planescape: Torment Enhanced Edition</span> will feature the unaltered original version and the Enhanced Edition in one definitive collection exclusively on GOG.com. The original game will no longer be available for purchase on its own, after the Enhanced Edition is released. Owners of the classic Planescape: Torment will not be affected by upcoming changes to the product.


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Post edited March 29, 2017 by maladr0Id
Posted March 31, 2017
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dudalb: TO be honest, I think that PT is not the kind of game that lends itself to "acheivments" ,. A bit too serous a game for that kind of thing.
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Starmaker: I think it does. I've seen many people say that when they replay the game, they keep playing as (basically) the fluffy fuzzball from the Rhys Hess novelization. Achievements can direct people to seek out the more obscure content. Like "get glued to the chair" or "get sliced up into prosciutto".
Look, Acheeivments are find for those who like them, I just don't.

As for seeking out more obscure features of the game,that is why God made walkthrus and on line guides...

And I find that a lot of humor in acheivments is simply not that funny.

What I WILL scream bloody murder about is if Acheiments somehow impact game play.

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Carradice: Actually things happened in this order:

First, systematic downvoting of every single opinion favorable towards PSTEE, all while some posts attacked the game and the publisher with words like sacrilege and whatnot ¬¬ The hate towards games is increasingly common nowadays; the systematic downvoting was new and an abuse of the system.

Second, people started realizing the downvoting and making remarks, while asking why so much hate. This was followed by more downvoting and some new remarks on part on the haters attacking the company, specifically some allegedly gay/trans-accepting content apparently present in prior games.

Third, some users engaged with the people making bad remarks about the gay/trans-friendly content. The answers lead to an exposition of what is commonly understood as far right or alt-right usual commonplaces, all included with a defence of the ideas and policy of the current president of the USA.

Fourth, some of the propagandists even claimed later that it was all the fault of the people who engaged with them in conversation.

# Conclusions: #

1. The pattern, systematic and temporal, of the downvoting suggest multiaccounts. It stopped completely for about eight hours, then came back. Also, the pattern avoided in the return two new users that had marked ther reps, while it kept attacking new users that had not written their reps in the thread. So, very focusedly, these two users were avoided, as if trying not to be too much conspicuous--yet failing.

2. All suggests that the objective was systematically boycotting the company that made this EE, just because of that gay/trans-friendly content present in other games. The downvoting, the hateful comments and then the exposition of dislike against gay/trans was a part of it; the rest was the exposition of right wing propaganda, further drifting away from the topic in this thread. Some users, in good faith but probably misguidedly, engaged with these propagandists in a futile effort to bring them to reason, only to mud the thread even more.

3. The success of the hijacking of the thread was only partial. This EE is interesting for many, both veteran and newcomers to Sigil, while those who do now want to buy it are free to do so. Those who want the original only without the EE still can get it. A win for all?

# Lessons to bring home: #

i. Upvoting is meant for pointing out useful, informative posts, while downvoting is for uncivil ones. Better keep it that way.

ii. GOG community is a hobbyist one where political propaganda and agenda can only detract from its purpose. Keep the crap off our games.

iii. Do not feed the troll. When you engage with a propagandist, that is exactly what the other wants. Do not make it easy for them.
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qwixter: My summary is that some drama happened on an internet forum, and some people care way too much about an arbitrary grading system that is used similar to facebook's "like" system. What was the drama about? Who cares. Some idiot makes a trollish stupid comment, others feed the troll, then it's rinse and repeat. Happens everyday on every forum.
You think it is bad here, it was a lot worse on the now Defunct IMDB Message Boards.
Post edited March 31, 2017 by dudalb
Posted March 31, 2017
i think what everyone in this thread needs is some brussels sprouts and OBLiVION!!11!1
Posted March 31, 2017
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dudalb: Look, Acheeivments are find for those who like them, I just don't.
I don't say achievements should be mandatory, I say optional achievements are an absolute good. They don't hurt your experience and enhance other people's.

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dudalb: As for seeking out more obscure features of the game,that is why God made walkthrus and on line guides...
These are third-party resources. If the devs can be trusted with the game, why can't they be trusted to design a discovery mechanic?

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dudalb: And I find that a lot of humor in acheivments is simply not that funny.
This. For the record, my post above is half spoiler avoidance, half a dig at terrible achievement names that basically laugh at the player for caring about the story and characters.

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dudalb: What I WILL scream bloody murder about is if Acheiments somehow impact game play.
Achievements have impacted gameplay since before there were achievements, and I don't just mean unlock-based games (Reus, Curious Expedition, Risk of Rain, Don't Starve, Crypt of the Necrodancer, etc). Games have always featured special awards for doing nearly impossible things and finding secrets. If you find an awesome gun in a secret vault, you can then proceed to mow down Nazi zombies with it; the achievement api implementation independently sends the info to the server.

If you mean "I'd hate if a game required me to have the achievement in my online profile before it let me use the gun", then yes, it would be terrible, but the awfulness is already covered under online DRM and doesn't have anything to do with specifically achievements.
Posted March 31, 2017
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Infester77777: Can somebody explain the point of beamdog doing this rather then making their own game?
Having no talent and having to rely on other's work to make something people will buy?
Posted March 31, 2017
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Infester77777: Can somebody explain the point of beamdog doing this rather then making their own game?
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GreasyDogMeat: Having no talent and having to rely on other's work to make something people will buy?
Anybody who buys this "enhanced" version should be sent to the camps. Time for new games not overpriced remastered, enhanced, whatever old games.
Posted March 31, 2017
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Infester77777: Can somebody explain the point of beamdog doing this rather then making their own game?
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GreasyDogMeat: Having no talent and having to rely on other's work to make something people will buy?
And as soon as there is some criticism, label it bigotry because complaining about bugs and a poorly written story = excuse to complain because we stuffed a trans character into the game...
Posted March 31, 2017
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fortune_p_dawg: i think what everyone in this thread needs is some brussels sprouts and OBLiVION!!11!1
I'm not sure about them sprouts (is it even food like I suspect? Yes it is, google says so. Learn a new word with GOG every day!). But the second one certainly gets my vote too.
Posted April 01, 2017
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fortune_p_dawg: i think what everyone in this thread needs is some brussels sprouts and OBLiVION!!11!1
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huan: I'm not sure about them sprouts (is it even food like I suspect? Yes it is, google says so. Learn a new word with GOG every day!). But the second one certainly gets my vote too.
My dog ate a brand new rubber cleaning sponge, half a latex glove and a few other odd things here and there, and will generally try to eat anything, but she refuses to eat Brussel Sprouts. I think there's a lesson there.
Post edited April 01, 2017 by CMOT70
Posted April 01, 2017
Excuse me, does this include the missing content that was patched in by some awesome modders to the original PST? For example, the restored quests.

If no, I want no part of this.

I'm just a little bit concerned that this won't be as good as my original copy with the restored content and mods. I feel like that's what the sales copy should be referring to, not the original boxed content.
Posted April 01, 2017
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isisprince: Excuse me, does this include the missing content that was patched in by some awesome modders to the original PST? For example, the restored quests.

If no, I want no part of this.

I'm just a little bit concerned that this won't be as good as my original copy with the restored content and mods. I feel like that's what the sales copy should be referring to, not the original boxed content.
early days yet but I would assume Beamdog will try to add the missing bits unless there is some copyright issue
Post edited April 01, 2017 by ussnorway
Posted April 01, 2017
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isisprince: Excuse me, does this include the missing content that was patched in by some awesome modders to the original PST? For example, the restored quests.

If no, I want no part of this.

I'm just a little bit concerned that this won't be as good as my original copy with the restored content and mods. I feel like that's what the sales copy should be referring to, not the original boxed content.
If I understand correctly about what you're asking, I think that's answered in the game's FAQ on the developer's website that was posted earlier in this thread, post 24.
Posted April 01, 2017
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GreasyDogMeat: Having no talent and having to rely on other's work to make something people will buy?
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Infester77777: Anybody who buys this "enhanced" version should be sent to the camps. Time for new games not overpriced remastered, enhanced, whatever old games.
Why can't we have both?
Posted April 01, 2017
Might be nitpicky, but I think the background image on the gamecard for PST:EE isn't that great. Besides being washed-out and grey/dull, two characters of - one a blurry sneering guy, the other a smaller but in-focus skull - are both trying to catch my attention, and I'm not sure which to focus on. It might work better if there was one - perhaps the skull - and he was much bigger. I think the original PST gamecard image is much better, and suggest switching it to this if possible:

http://images-2.gog.com/ac8e4dab3ccfa7d854a4965ba418e56abc81f40bea00ffe2cc9e131966210715_bg_800.jpg

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Infester77777: Anybody who buys this "enhanced" version should be sent to the camps. Time for new games not overpriced remastered, enhanced, whatever old games.
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Elrood: Why can't we have both?
We can, and simply not buy what we don't want. But gamers need something, however nitpicky like my post above, to complain about on the internet or we'll actually have to ... *gasp* ... play games!
Post edited April 01, 2017 by tfishell
Posted April 01, 2017
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At least, stressing over and over that they did NOT modify anything save for minor changes explicitly requested by Chris Avellone shows they listened to complaints.
Still not convinced if I want to economically support someone who plagues a classic with questionable design and writing choices to force personal political/ideological views on others, tho.
But what I can't really excuse is the regional pricing. I absolutely revile regional priced games, especially on GOG, a platform that used to have a stricly non-regional pricing policy once. Guess I'll be fine with my original game unless they change the regional pricing bit, in which case I may think about it.
Post edited April 01, 2017 by Shendue
Posted April 01, 2017
They keep dropping Avellone's name every chance they get, though. Using that name for all it is worth to market their product.
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tfishell: Might be nitpicky, but I think the background image on the gamecard for PST:EE isn't that great. Besides being washed-out and grey/dull, two characters of - one a blurry sneering guy, the other a smaller but in-focus skull - are both trying to catch my attention, and I'm not sure which to focus on. It might work better if there was one - perhaps the skull - and he was much bigger. I think the original PST gamecard image is much better, and suggest switching it to this if possible:

http://images-2.gog.com/ac8e4dab3ccfa7d854a4965ba418e56abc81f40bea00ffe2cc9e131966210715_bg_800.jpg

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Elrood: Why can't we have both?
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tfishell: We can, and simply not buy what we don't want. But gamers need something, however nitpicky like my post above, to complain about on the internet or we'll actually have to ... *gasp* ... play games!
So lets say you wanted to buy Total Recall on bluray. Then you find out you can now only get it IF you buy the shitty remake, and pay 3 times more. You would be ok with that?
Post edited April 01, 2017 by Stig79
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