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A genuine question: is the decision to have a preorder and preorder bonuses made by the developer/publisher, by GOG or both? If it's the first, then would GOG have to choose between offering preorder or not selling the game at all?
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htown1980: The removal of pre-orders don't add any additional options. The only thing gained by taking away pre-orders is to remove an options, admittedly an option that I have absolutely no interest in, but an option nonetheless.
I'm with GOG on this one, but

1. "options" are not an absolute good. (Buy a maybe full game on preorder OR buy a gimped game on release) < Buy a full game on release = (But a full game on release OR Buy a full game on preorder).

2. collective action is a thing. Collectively, the people who buy games with preorder exclusives screw other people out of said exclusives; individually, they (we, because that Absolver game is sure fluffy) are innocent. Poweful communities and oligopolies (FTC, BBB, Steam, Google) can just demand compliance or else. People are not wrong to protest / boycott exclusives, they're wrong to demand it from individual entities that don't have the clout to make an impact and have to face the immutable status quo no matter what they (we) do.

Anyway, those who aren't willing to walk the walk and organize should grow up and shut up. As of now, GOG has preorder exclusives but goes out of their way to deemphasize the fact. It shouldn't take time and effort out of my day to monitor releases. Argh.
If you download the free game, are you still able to cancel your preorder or does it lock in your preorder? I've seen a lot of people fall for this kind of thing on Steam where they got extra's with a preorder and didn't realize they wouldn't be able to refund the main game later.
Post edited July 31, 2017 by Pheace
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htown1980: Things I don't do:

1. Pre-order games
2. Buy brand new cars
3. Buy single beers (as opposed to cartons or six packs)
4. Buy a cup of tea at a cafe.
Things I don't do:

1. Pre-order games
2. Pay for my car while the designers are giving it the finishing touches, before it even enters the production chain, without knowing how well it actually performs, then wait six months for it to actually be on the market so I can drive it, out of some abstract idea of "supporting the automotive industry" or a specific player therein.
3. Pay for a six-pack, only to find two of the cans don't actually have an opening mechanism, then go back to the retailer only to have them offer to exchange those faulty cans with actual ones for only 5 more dollars (sorry, couldn't think of a less crappy metaphor for DLC. My bad XD).
4. Buy a "season pass" for a cafe, so I can come back every day for the next six months and have a cup of tea, coffe, cocoa or whatever, thus effectively "marrying" myself to that cafe for the foreseeable future regardless of the quality of their service.

Some people really need to start wondering why these things would be somehow acceptable when it comes to games.
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htown1980: Now, to pre-orders. Pre-orders don't prevent a consumer from doing anything. Whether pre-orders exist or not, the consumer can still wait until the product is released before buying it. Pre-orders don't take away that option. The removal of pre-orders don't add any additional options. The only thing gained by taking away pre-orders is to remove an options, admittedly an option that I have absolutely no interest in, but an option nonetheless.

Likewise, ergo decedo doesn't apply either, as we are not saying "if you don't like it, leave", we are saying "why remove this option when you don't have to take it up and removing the option of pre-ordering will have no beneficial affect on you that not taking up the option doesn't already bestow". Further, one doesn't have to buy the pre-orders and one loses nothing by not doing so and gains nothing by removing them (unlike tax or being affected by the political climate - which cannot be avoided and can be improved).
The elimination of pre-odering would provide a very substantial benefit: peace of mind. It's a practice that tries to get people to feel that they'll lose something significant if they don't do it, and is highly unethical.
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richlind33: The elimination of pre-odering would provide a very substantial benefit: peace of mind. It's a practice that tries to get people to feel that they'll lose something significant if they don't do it, and is highly unethical.
Brilliant logic. Let's also eliminate everything that the poorest, weakest, and least intelligent person cannot easily afford/get/find. Because otherwise that guy might feel inadequate or sad or like he is missing out. And that's highly unethical.
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I'm starting to feel that GOG is starting to feel a LOT MORE LIKE STEAM and these forums are starting to become JUST LIKE BETHSOFT FORUMS where the words CHARLIE and GLAND are [CENSORED] and [CENSORED] GrrRrrRrR NOT HAPPY JAN!
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richlind33: The elimination of pre-odering would provide a very substantial benefit: peace of mind. It's a practice that tries to get people to feel that they'll lose something significant if they don't do it, and is highly unethical.
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Alaric.us: Brilliant logic. Let's also eliminate everything that the poorest, weakest, and least intelligent person cannot easily afford/get/find. Because otherwise that guy might feel inadequate or sad or like he is missing out. And that's highly unethical.
You sound like you've been convinced that you'll lose something if you're not able to pre-order, which is *exactly* what pre-orders are designed to do; but not to worry, because if the scam was discontinued you would lose absolutely nothing.
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fr33kSh0w2012: I'm starting to feel that GOG is starting to feel a LOT MORE LIKE STEAM and these forums are starting to become JUST LIKE BETHSOFT FORUMS where the words CHARLIE and GLAND are [CENSORED] and [CENSORED] GrrRrrRrR NOT HAPPY JAN!
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Alaric.us: Brilliant logic. Let's also eliminate everything that the poorest, weakest, and least intelligent person cannot easily afford/get/find. Because otherwise that guy might feel inadequate or sad or like he is missing out. And that's highly unethical.
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richlind33: You sound like you've been convinced that you'll lose something if you're not able to pre-order, which is *exactly* what pre-orders are designed to do; but not to worry, because if the scam was discontinued you would lose absolutely nothing.
If you'd read my posts further up this thread, you'd know that I pretty much never preorder and in fact posted a video where Cartman shares his perspective on them. I am 36 and I preordered 2 games in my life, one of which I did here on GOG less then a day from release. (And was happy with both the game and the bonuses.)

That said, all of it is irrelevant. The real point is, if someone wants to preorder, it's none of our business to deny them that option. Just because it's not for us, doesn't mean it's not for everyone.

I buy new cars. Always. Without exception. Every 3 years or less. There are people out there, who foam at the mouth at the very notion. They tell me how it's stupid, rant about how I'm wasting money, go on and on about depreciation etc. Most of the time they are right in their own way. Buying a new car would be wrong FOR THEM. But not FOR ME.

Different people are in different situations, want different things, like different food, belong to different political parties, listen to different music. Some people happen to be better off buying new cars. Some people are better off preordering games. Getting on a high horse and pontificating about your own Uniquely Correct View™ will not change any of it.
Post edited August 03, 2017 by Alaric.us
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I got low rated for making fun of a low rated post.

Well, what is it? XD
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tinyE: I got low rated for making fun of a low rated post.

Well, what is it? XD
You were being a smart arse and I also know a certain P.O.S. on here low rated it DIDN'T you S**TMAKER!

You can't hurt me that way any more as I simply don't give a shit, Script kiddie!

I also know quite a few people hate me on here

Also YOU ARE NOT FUNNY tinyE
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tinyE: I got low rated for making fun of a low rated post.

Well, what is it? XD
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fr33kSh0w2012: You were being a smart arse and I also know a certain P.O.S. on here low rated it DIDN'T you S**TMAKER!

You can't hurt me that way any more as I simply don't give a shit, Script kiddie!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By72eQtjglM
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fr33kSh0w2012: You were being a smart arse and I also know a certain P.O.S. on here low rated it DIDN'T you S**TMAKER!

You can't hurt me that way any more as I simply don't give a shit, Script kiddie!
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tinyE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By72eQtjglM
https://youtu.be/pEOVNmSR7_c?t=1m49s
I ask you and people like you tinyE do you feel big making fun of an Autistic person, You proud of yourself there?

Because yeah all you fuckheads that think you're hurting me from downvoting me must have REALLY INSIGNIFICANT LIVES

PICKING ON A PERSON WITH ASPERGER'S SYNDROME!

A PERSON THAT HAS HAD A ROTTEN LIFE!

YOU NEUROTYPICALS JUST KEEP POKING ME WITH A STICK DON'T YOU?

Now I remember why I left it was Starmaker, TinyE, Breja and the rest of you lot you know who you are!
Thanks for reminding me!
Post edited August 03, 2017 by fr33kSh0w2012
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richlind33: You sound like you've been convinced that you'll lose something if you're not able to pre-order, which is *exactly* what pre-orders are designed to do; but not to worry, because if the scam was discontinued you would lose absolutely nothing.
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Alaric.us: If you'd read my posts further up this thread, you'd know that I pretty much never preorder and in fact posted a video where Cartman shares his perspective on them. I am 36 and I preordered 2 games in my life, one of which I did here on GOG less then a day from release. (And was happy with both the game and the bonuses.)

That said, all of it is irrelevant. The real point is, if someone wants to preorder, it's none of our business to deny them that option. Just because it's not for us, doesn't mean it's not for everyone.

I buy new cars. Always. Without exception. Every 3 years or less. There are people out there, who foam at the mouth at the very notion. They tell me how it's stupid, rant about how I'm wasting money, go on and on about depreciation etc. Most of the time they are right in their own way. Buying a new car would be wrong FOR THEM. But not FOR ME.

Different people are in different situations, want different things, like different food, belong to different political parties, listen to different music. Some people happen to be better off buying new cars. Some people are better off preordering games. Getting on a high horse and pontificating about your own Uniquely Correct View™ will not change any of it.
Remember the "embedded reporting" during Desert Storm? That's where we're headed with pre-release game reviews, is that OK? And what about day 1 DLC, single-player microtransactions, etc, etc, all good? Or politics and everything else, A-OK?

So tell me, do you really think Laissez Faire makes sense in a world where corruption is rampant and people have little to no self-restraint?
Post edited August 03, 2017 by richlind33