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Posted July 06, 2022
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darthspudius: There is this thing called physical media. It's a wonderful thing.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: Not necessarily. Physical media is infested with DRM.

And a lot of times, modern OSes have disabled that DRM from working and thus make the physical media which contains that DRM useless and non-functional.

Plus, disc-based movies often only work in certain regions and/or on certain devices that happen to be compatible with that exact version type of the disc.

And even if physical media has zero DRM in it, then it still doesn't last forever anyway. Eventually, the data on it will decay simply through natural processes, and the physical media which used to hold that data will therefore have become totally useless.
I find it ironic that you say physical media is infested with drm yet are fine with windows 11 being infested with drm.
Posted July 06, 2022
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: Not necessarily. Physical media is infested with DRM.

And a lot of times, modern OSes have disabled that DRM from working and thus make the physical media which contains that DRM useless and non-functional.

Plus, disc-based movies often only work in certain regions and/or on certain devices that happen to be compatible with that exact version type of the disc.

And even if physical media has zero DRM in it, then it still doesn't last forever anyway. Eventually, the data on it will decay simply through natural processes, and the physical media which used to hold that data will therefore have become totally useless.
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Truth007: I find it ironic that you say physical media is infested with drm yet are fine with windows 11 being infested with drm.
well it is the 2nd best desktop os , right after win10
Posted July 06, 2022
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AB2012: As for their lifespan, I still have some of the earliest Audio CD's from the mid-1980's that play fine after nearly 40 years so the rate of decay of pressed optical discs is regularly heavily over-exaggerated.
I never had a physical CD, DVD or Blu Ray just physically decay. I never even ever knew anyone who experienced this. It is a phenomenon i know exclusively from the internet to be honest.
Posted July 06, 2022
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AB2012: As for their lifespan, I still have some of the earliest Audio CD's from the mid-1980's that play fine after nearly 40 years so the rate of decay of pressed optical discs is regularly heavily over-exaggerated.
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InSaintMonoxide: I never had a physical CD, DVD or Blu Ray just physically decay. I never even ever knew anyone who experienced this. It is a phenomenon i know exclusively from the internet to be honest.
I have had cds/dvds which warped when in too much sunlight or got too hot. I even had a cracked (in the physically broken sense) disc 1 of monkey island 4, no idea how it happened. Generally strong they might be, but not impregnable.
Also, I still have a physical You Are Empty game that I cannot find a crack for which works, and thus it is dead at the moment. Happens with GFWDead titles as well, and all those games which are just a key.
Posted July 06, 2022
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InSaintMonoxide: I never had a physical CD, DVD or Blu Ray just physically decay. I never even ever knew anyone who experienced this. It is a phenomenon i know exclusively from the internet to be honest.
I have had low-quality CD-R discs oxidize themselves to death. Also blew up a CD once in a 52X speed drive and it was not pretty... the horror stories are real, albeit if you get good quality disks you should be good as long as you don't leave them in the sun or in the oven (the information holding layer on recordable and re-recordable optical discs is organic). There was a time when good quality optical media was hard to come by or incredibly expensive. Pressed optical disks won't have this problem, of course... aside from potential structural imbalance, which can make a disc explode in some readers.
Post edited July 06, 2022 by WinterSnowfall
Posted July 06, 2022
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InSaintMonoxide: I never had a physical CD, DVD or Blu Ray just physically decay. I never even ever knew anyone who experienced this. It is a phenomenon i know exclusively from the internet to be honest.
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WinterSnowfall: I have had low-quality CD-R discs oxidize themselves to death. Also blew up a CD once in a 52X speed drive and it was not pretty... the horror stories are real, but albeit if you get good quality disks you should be good as long as you don't leave them in the sun or in the oven (the information holding layer on recordable and re-recordable optical discs is organic). There was a time when good quality optical media was hard to come by or incredibly expensive. Pressed optical disks won't have this problem, of course... aside from potential structural imbalance, which can make a disc explode in some readers.
The fact that i tend to store CDs in drawers and therefore don't really expose them to anything may have helped. That said, i still think Games for Windows Live and the like are much worse than physical damage risks (other than chemical reactions, scratches are something i actually have seen happen to discs in real life, haha). With old games, i don't even install them from the physical DVD anymore but just move the installed game files from system to system. The version of Tony Hawk's Underground 2 i have currently on my hard drive was originally installed in the 2000's on my Windows XP computer.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: And a lot of times, modern OSes have disabled that DRM from working and thus make the physical media which contains that DRM useless and non-functional.

Plus, disc-based movies often only work in certain regions and/or on certain devices that happen to be compatible with that exact version type of the disc.

And even if physical media has zero DRM in it, then it still doesn't last forever anyway. Eventually, the data on it will decay simply through natural processes, and the physical media which used to hold that data will therefore have become totally useless.
The Moment of Silence was like this because the UK publishers, Digital Jesters, stuck starforce in the game meaning you needed to find US files to get it working.

Also they were closed down a year later. Were they unlucky or just a bunch of shitheads?
Despite a well publicised investment,[1] on 22 December 2005 a winding-up order was made against the company in the Birmingham District Registry of the UK High Court on the petition of Kaoscontrol Limited.[2][3] This followed a period where the company was accused of withholding payments to various developers[4] they had worked with, resulting in some developers terminating contracts with the publisher.[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Jesters
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13ison: This is certainly an example of the doomsday scenario a lot of us DRM Free fans fear, where digital content can be removed. But there is also the discussion, as it is here, of whether any media is truly permanent anyway. It's tough to see where the smart money would be further down the road.
Then instead of asking how long would a disc last it becomes a question of how good is error control when copying and how do you decide what's worth copying in the first place.
Posted July 06, 2022
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darthspudius: There is this thing called physical media. It's a wonderful thing.
And it's usually a better experience too!

But we're entering a period where makers aren't putting a lot of stuff on to disc now. Apple+ exclusives, for instance. So gotta pretend like they don't exist.
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