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Breja: And to think I actually paid full price (which was ridiculously high by the way) for Wings of Liberty when it was first released. "Free" is a much more appropriate price point :D
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Matewis: Lol why? I felt it was it was a very good single player experience. And the trails to prepare you for online play was a very nice touch. I only felt sorry for the Starcraft fans who don't like to play terrain. Though there are 3 or 4 protoss missions.
It's not terrible, but it certainly wasn't worth the high price either. It's just an ok game, and I have not returned to it in those seven years, nor did I feel in the slightest inclined to buy the other two, even after price drop. It wasn't even close to how great Warcraft III felt. Warcraft III felt like an event of sorts. Witch Starcraft II I was hoping for something like it, and the hype was sure there, but instead I got just a decent, way too short RTS. Story, missions, characters... none of it made a big impression on me. I just played through it, tried some multiplayer, and then put it on a shelf, shrugged, and forgot about it.
Post edited November 03, 2017 by Breja
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tinyE: Wait, but when WOL game out it was released as a full separate game, as was the plan for all three factions, and WOL is what you are getting here, not the WOL demo, the full game.
Semantics schemantics. Doom episode 1 was similarly a "full game", you got to kill the baddie at the end etc.

I just consider it as one Starcraft 2 game that Blizzard chose to release in three main parts. Similarly "Life Is Strange" was released in five episodes, and the first episode was offered free of charge at some point.
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tinyE: Wait, but when WOL game out it was released as a full separate game, as was the plan for all three factions, and WOL is what you are getting here, not the WOL demo, the full game.
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timppu: Semantics schemantics. Doom episode 1 was similarly a "full game", you got to kill the baddie at the end etc.

I just consider it as one Starcraft 2 game that Blizzard chose to release in three main parts. Similarly "Life Is Strange" was released in five episodes, and the first episode was offered free of charge at some point.
see I don't know, my post was almost a question because I've never played it. If the "full game" really is a demo then I see your point.
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Matewis: Lol why? I felt it was it was a very good single player experience. And the trails to prepare you for online play was a very nice touch. I only felt sorry for the Starcraft fans who don't like to play terrain. Though there are 3 or 4 protoss missions.
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Breja: It's not terrible, but it certainly wasn't worth the high price either. It's just an ok game, and I have not returned to it in those seven years, nor did I feel in the slightest inclined to buy the other two, even after price drop. It wasn't even close to how great Warcraft III felt. Warcraft III felt like an event of sorts. Witch Starcraft II I was hoping for something like it, and the hype was sure there, but instead I got just a decent, way too short RTS. Story, missions, characters... none of it made a big impression on me. I just played through it, tried some multiplayer, and then put it on a shelf, shrugged, and forgot about it.
I'm having a serious case of deja vu here, I think we might've discussed this before :) Nevertheless I absolutely agree about Warcraft 3, which remains my favorite rts to this day. It is far superior in terms of story, characters and general atmosphere. More so for the former 2 than the latter though. In this sense SC2 is bad enough that I'm not sure I would want them to attempt Warcraft 4 only to make a mess with a similarly uninspiring story and characters. Though I suppose WoW has already done that :P
But I do have to take my hat of to WoL for how much effort they put into the single player campaign. The levels are innovative, challenging and it was a huge treat to be able to unlock each of the original game's terran units (vulture, goliath, science vessel etc.). My only complaint here is that I wanted a few more standard build base + destroy enemy base levels. And I can't remember the campaign being that short, though that could be because I replayed levels a lot to try and earn each level's 3 achievements. I found it fun, but I can totally get someone else not being bothered by it.
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timppu: [...] that is not really different how back in 1993 id Software made the first episode of Doom free, and you had to pay for episodes 2-3.
Sure it is: Doom's shareware episode didn't require an online account and a proprietary software client to get or play the free episode. ;)
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timppu: I am not saying I don't appreciate Blizzard making 1/3 of the Starcraft 2 single-player campaign free to play
Seeing how they have changed StarCraft 1 it is yet to be seen how "free" to play it really is and what "accessible for free" actually means (tied to a Blizzard account? requiring an online connection for installation? or even for playing?).
Post edited November 04, 2017 by eiii
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timppu: [...] that is not really different how back in 1993 id Software made the first episode of Doom free, and you had to pay for episodes 2-3.
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HunchBluntley: Sure it is: Doom's shareware episode didn't require an online account and a proprietary software client to get or play the free episode. ;)
True, but I don't think that has anything to do with its free-ness, or lack there-of. A game being free, and being DRM-free, are two separate discussions.

For free games, I don't normally complain what kind of DRM they have or even if they are streamed, because... I am not paying anything for using them. I can't demand my money back or anything, or vote with my wallet.

For games that I actually pay something, there I care more what kind of DRM they have (hopefully none).
"Starting November 14, you’ll have free access to the original Wings of Liberty single-player campaign and every Co-op Commander, and will be able to unlock access to StarCraft II’s competitive multiplayer content for free."

That will include:

The original Wings of Liberty campaign, or the zerg-focused Heart of the Swarm if you already own Wings of Liberty. You'll have to log in between November 8 and December 8 to claim it.

Access the ranked multiplayer, complete with all of the multiplayer units from Wings of Liberty, Heart of the Swarm, and Legacy of the Void. All you have to do to unlock it permanently is earn 10 First Wins of the Day in Unranked or Versus A.I. play—our way to preserve the quality and integrity of the ranked experience.

Free full access to co-op Commanders Raynor, Kerrigan, and Artanis, with other current and upcoming co-op Commanders available to play for free up to level five. The level restriction for weekly mutations has also been removed.

The Heart of the Swarm and Legacy of the Void campaigns, and the Nova Covert Ops mission pack, will be available for purchase for $15 each, or in a bundle for $40. Blizzard will continue to add "premium upgrades" including announcer packs, skins, and new Co-op Commanders, all of whom will be free until level 5. Anyone who's already purchased any of the three StarCraft 2 campaigns will be given "a small thank-you" of an exclusive Ghost skin and three new portraits."
STOOPID QUESTIONS :P

For the sake of a free game I can put up with Blizzards DRM, but I have some stupid questions about using it.

Assuming I need to be logged onto Battlenet to play, SP, does a bad/slow connection effect a SP game. If I lose my connection do I need to stop and reload the whole thing?
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tinyE: STOOPID QUESTIONS :P

For the sake of a free game I can put up with Blizzards DRM, but I have some stupid questions about using it.

Assuming I need to be logged onto Battlenet to play, SP, does a bad/slow connection effect a SP game. If I lose my connection do I need to stop and reload the whole thing?
If I recall getting disconnected during the campaign isn't a big deal, but I could be wrong as I haven't played SC2 in a long time.

I figured it'd go free to play to some extent eventually, WoL was already partially free and they seemed to focus a lot on 'dlc' fluff for high prices. I've got my money's worth out of the games but I am glad I never purchased any of those fluff dlc's, normally I don't anyway. It feels to me they are desperate for new players as the game has shrunk so incredibly much since it's initial launch. It took incredibly long before significant custom maps became available due to the overly complex map editor (just compare it to warcraft 3, you could make a fun map in a matter of days). I think in their attempt to make the game more flexible in capabilities it also killed off a large part of it's modding community that kept warcraft 3 alive.
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tinyE: STOOPID QUESTIONS :P

For the sake of a free game I can put up with Blizzards DRM, but I have some stupid questions about using it.

Assuming I need to be logged onto Battlenet to play, SP, does a bad/slow connection effect a SP game. If I lose my connection do I need to stop and reload the whole thing?
That's what you got for moving to Malaysia - slow connection.
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tinyE: STOOPID QUESTIONS :P

For the sake of a free game I can put up with Blizzards DRM, but I have some stupid questions about using it.

Assuming I need to be logged onto Battlenet to play, SP, does a bad/slow connection effect a SP game. If I lose my connection do I need to stop and reload the whole thing?
You can play it offline, though this will disable achievements. Otherwise, well, AFAIK, there's no big difference between playing online/offline.
And yes, you'll still need to log into Battle.net once in a while to be able to run the game in offline mode.
EDIT: If you get disconnected in the middle of a SP mission, you'll still be able to play on normally (aside from the achievement part).
Post edited November 04, 2017 by Sanjuro
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timppu: For free games, I don't normally complain what kind of DRM they have or even if they are streamed, because... I am not paying anything for using them.
There are different ways to pay, it doesn't have to be money. ;) For me it's quite a difference if something really is free to play (like the shareware episode of Doom) or if I have to pay with my data.
Post edited November 04, 2017 by eiii
Sorry if this strays off-topic, but i'm more interested in Vanilla WoW servers. I tried WoW a while back, but I sorta felt left out as to what was going on and what my character was doing in the world.

With these vanilla servers, I hope I can feel a bit more interested and willing to play the game.
Meh, I' already own them all up to Legacy of the void, and wouldn't recommend them...Blizzard pretty much butchered the Starcraft universe with a moronic story, and the multiplayer is too demanding and too much oriented towards 5000 clicks per minute-"E-sports" slaves from Korea.