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For one, that will never happen. It also wouldn't be a good thing if it did.

Say what you will about pirating, but a vast majority of people use it as a way to properly demo and see if a game actually works before a purchase.

This is more important than ever with the god awful rushed "AAA" releases we get nowadays.
Hmph self-centered much. If they wouldn't crack it, someone else would. This sort of whining is just gonna be used by Denuvo scum to show 'see, drm works!'. Idiots, or paid shills.

I don't give a damn about 'free games', I want drm to die in a fire, and 'warning' how cracking has become too hard won't help.
Maybe he was offered a large sum to stop cracking it?
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Titanium: This is somewhat laughable. So, if I understand correctly, because some group couldn't crack some copy protection, in two years time, there will be an age of darkness and pain with no pirated games in sight.

Am I the only one taking this with a huge truck full of grains of salt? No? Good, carry on.
Its not some group, but no group has cracked it. Its just this particular cracker has put her name on record saying it may happen.
Given it has been months with no viable crack, it does point towards a possibility.

I hope it doesn't and that a repeatable weakness can be found, but I fear that might not be the case.
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MikeMaximus: Say what you will about pirating, but a vast majority of people use it as a way to properly demo and see if a game actually works before a purchase.
Highly unlikely.
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mechmouse: Its not some group, but no group has cracked it. Its just this particular cracker has put her name on record saying it may happen.
Given it has been months with no viable crack, it does point towards a possibility.

I hope it doesn't and that a repeatable weakness can be found, but I fear that might not be the case.
Denuvo has been cracked. In fact, 3DM where the first ones to do so. It's not really drm, though. It's a layer of encryption on top of the drm, as an anti-tamper mechanism. It just seems to take a lot of effort to go through it in order to crack the drm; it's so much work that it's not worth it.

So, according to the wiki these are the games released using the denuvo anti-tamper:

- FIFA 15
- Lords of the Fallen
- Dragon Age: Inquisition
- Battlefield Hardline
- Batman Arkham Knight
- Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
- Mad Max
- Just Cause 3
- FIFA 16

3DM was the first -and only- group to release cracks for the all but Just Cause 3 and Fifa16. Eventually -much much later- scene releases showed up for fifa15, lords of the fallen, DA:I, battlefield hardline and Batman Arkham Knight.
Post edited January 08, 2016 by rgnrk
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mechmouse: Its not some group, but no group has cracked it. Its just this particular cracker has put her name on record saying it may happen.
Given it has been months with no viable crack, it does point towards a possibility.

I hope it doesn't and that a repeatable weakness can be found, but I fear that might not be the case.
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rgnrk: Denuvo has been cracked. In fact, 3DM where the first ones to do so. It's not really drm, though. It's a layer of encryption on top of the drm, as an anti-tamper mechanism. It just seems to take a lot of effort to go through it in order to crack the drm; it's so much work that it's not worth it.

So, according to the wiki these are the games released using the denuvo anti-tamper:

- FIFA 15
- Lords of the Fallen
- Dragon Age: Inquisition
- Battlefield Hardline
- Batman Arkham Knight
- Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
- Mad Max
- Just Cause 3
- FIFA 16

3DM was the first -and only- group to release cracks for the all but Just Cause 3 and Fifa16. Eventually -much much later- scene releases showed up for fifa15, lords of the fallen, DA:I, battlefield hardline and Batman Arkham Knight.
The anti-tampering part makes it dangerous. If a game breaks and you can't fix it without circumventing the DRM, then the game is broken and can't be fixed. This also affects things like potential future widescreen resolutions. Imagine not being able to fix the game to use ultra-widescreen resolutions in the future like 4K. Denuvo can keep you from using those higher resolutions on games.
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te_lanus: https://torrentfreak.com/no-more-pirate-games-in-two-years-group-warns-160106/

The founder of notorious Chinese cracking forum 3DM is warning that given the current state of anti-piracy technology, in two years there might be no more pirate games to play. The claims come after attempts to breach the Denuvo security protecting Just Cause 3 pushed the group's cracking expert to breaking point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxauqa7rJgI
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te_lanus: https://torrentfreak.com/no-more-pirate-games-in-two-years-group-warns-160106/

The founder of notorious Chinese cracking forum 3DM is warning that given the current state of anti-piracy technology, in two years there might be no more pirate games to play. The claims come after attempts to breach the Denuvo security protecting Just Cause 3 pushed the group's cracking expert to breaking point.
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kalirion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxauqa7rJgI
You know that it can affect more than piracy, right?
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NessAndSonic: You know that it can affect more than piracy, right?
With the number of games coming out daily, I have the option to not play any with draconian DRM that I don't want to bother with. I've already passed on plenty games on Steam sales which have various types of always-on connection DRM. I think I can live without some franchises like Assassin's Creed and the like.
Post edited January 08, 2016 by kalirion
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MikeMaximus: For one, that will never happen. It also wouldn't be a good thing if it did.
Nice icon! :D

Back on topic, while I don't pirate games, it's still comforting to know that no matter what kind of crap the big publishers add to their games, sooner or later the "pirates" will get rid of it. Say about software piracy what you will, I generally find any kind of DRM measures much more despicable, so there's always a certain satisfaction when you hear that yet another "unbreakable" DRM system has been cracked a few days after release.
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Gnostic: I donno, if the pirates cannot play an indie game unless they pay for it, how many pirates will buy said indie game to play it?

Unless it is high quality indie game with AAA quality like D:OS, Wasteland 2, Banner Saga, POE...... then again, one might as well treat these game as AAA games.
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Azhdar: Pirates release any kind of games. Warez groups usually target big titles and AAAs. But there are some pirates who release both Indie games and AAAs. The source of those pirated copies can be from anywhere: black market, hacked accounts, free/promo codes, and etc. Also, when someone shares a game on torrent and warez sites, it spreads very fast. Just like plague. 1 working copy is enough to start that nightmare.
What does how pirated games come into being have to do with pirates having a change of heart in buying indie games if they cannot pirate it?

Honorable people will always be honorable as proven by the low low percentage of steam refunds. Dishonorable people, will just move on to a easier target and don't bother paying. If said dishonorable people must fork out money, they will prioritize higher qualities games rather than indie games.

So to the majority of indie games that does not have a great game and word of mouth, it is business as usual.
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mechmouse: A pirate free world, will not see the end of micro-payments or day-one DLC or all those other irritations that piracy is blamed for. If anything I'd predict an increase as publishers find a captive market.
If a pirate free world come to being, there is still kickstarter and indie who would steal some share from the publisher by offering non intrusive DRM / DRM free.

The market will balance itself unless customers who don't know better still rain money.

Thankfully GoG already have a catalog of DRM free games that I cannot finish playing in my lifetime that it does not matter if all games released starting tomorrow have abusive DRM.
Post edited January 08, 2016 by Gnostic
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synfresh: Don't care = not given enough reasons to care. Most people only hate DRM when DRM has negatively affected them.
They should be thankful they aren't the farmers who buy huge machines costing hundreds of thousands of dollars, which stop working because the DRM won't let them operate fix or replace it and they have to wait months to get it repaired...
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Gnostic: The market will balance itself unless customers who don't know better still rain money.
That's the thing though: the vast majority doesn't know better and probably doesn't care about the matter one way or the other. This is very unlikely to change anytime soon.
Assuming the industry did manage secure everything so well, I would see that as a loss.

I'm not supportive of the reason the cracks are made, but the fact that it has typically been possible is important. Games aren't the transitory, vapor like experience the gaming industry keeps trying to turn them into. Specific games can be significant parts of our lives, and be milestone markers - especially when we are growing up. Being able to go back to past games is something I've been able to do throughout my life, but something I doubt kids and teenagers are going to be able to as readily experience.

A lot of what we have on GoG is only DRM-free because somebody found some way around some drm scheme, not because there was someone around to properly remove it. If we lost the ability altogether to get around this stuff, then even sanctioned removal becomes impossible. We burn the future for today, and we won't even know how bad it is until the years roll by.

I do know it's annoying that I have to dig through a manual today if I want to play MOO. I know it has been annoying to have it silently destroy my win odds because I didn't know where I put the manual and tried to remember an answer. I know I can now get a ship list cheat sheet off the internet, but why the hell should I have to just because some ass hole in the 90's decided to put me in the middle of a war with some other ass hole?

There are enough problems keeping games running without vaulting access to them to such extremes. Of course people probably don't care all that much. I imagine lots of industries have managed to stack the deck in their favor, but it's hard to really be aware of everything unless you are saturated in that industry.