First, what other people? There was only one person... Secondly, this is a forum and anyone can contribute, so what's the problem.

If you lack the self-awareness to see how resurrecting old threads purely to hurl abuse at someone reflects on you as a person, then I really don't know what to say...

Persona 4 & 5 are great games, if you ignore all the terrible writing, problematic content, including but not limited to the sexualization of minors, casual homophobia, transphobia, misogyny, Teddie, and a lot more.

OK, but nobody cares what games you buy or don't buy and from where. YOU were the one criticizing people for that.

I've already finished this topic since another user started offend others.There's been a storm here.

He doesn't need it.

I've never seen anyone try to sell the idea that the Persona games are Visual Novels until now.

I'm well aware of the newfangled definition that RPGs are games were you assume the role of a single hero guy, which would mean that Wolfenstein: The New Order is an RPG only because you assume the role of Blazkowicz. It would also mean that the classic Eye of the Beholder series are not RPGs even though they use AD&D rules and the Forgotten Realms world setting.

I'm one of those people that is willing to die on the hill that RPGs are games that are based on table-top RPGs AND use those rules. The only games that I'm willing to let join Team RPG that don't meet that definition are games that have the feel of a table-top RPG adapted to an electronic form (example: Might and Magic) plus JRPGs. Saying that, JRPGs really are their own thing.

I'm really going to go there and say that even under the "one single hero guy" definition for RPGs, the Persona games are still RPGs.

In Persona 4, you really only control Narukami outside of battle and only spend time with other characters if you specifically go looking for them plus they are available at that time. You don't get to know what is going on with everyone else's life unless they specifically tell him. Yes, you can control the other characters during battles, but I think this is largely because of Yukari Takeba in Persona 3.

In Persona 3, you could only control Door-Kun (player character) directly and had to give everyone else generalized orders. While the main healer NPC is Yukari, the AI was programmed to heal whoever was damaged and had the least total hit points. This meant that Yukari would usually just heal herself and leave the person you wished she was healing to take more damage. It was actually better to leave her behind once you got past all the times you were required to use her then micromanage Akihiko to use single-target heals, debuff enemies or attack. Because his base hit points were higher than Yukari, he would actually heal people besides himself.

Even though Persona 4's combat is easier, I still prefer Persona 3 overall as a game, so here's the obligatory community wish list link -
https://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/shin_megami_tensei_persona_3_fes

The style of intermissions that exist in Persona 4 have actually been around in some form since the first Persona game (released in 1996). For example, this screen shot here from Persona 1 -

https://pspmedia.ign.com/psp/image/article/104/1048621/shin-megami-tensei-persona-20091120042711625.jpg

The difference is that with the first Persona game, intermissions were less frequent. You didn't have social links. You didn't spend any amount of time roleplaying doing school stuff. The part of Persona 3 that you spend outside of the dark hour often gets referred to as a "school sim" because besides having social links to manage, you have class time where you get asked questions and can spend evenings doing homework, but it's easy to pile on more hours of play time in Tartarus than anywhere else. Nobody claims that Persona 3 is a school sim with JRPG elements. It's still overall a JRPG.

This style of intermission has been used in other JRPGs besides the Persona series, such as -
Atelier Iris (2004)
Mary Skelter: Nightmares (2016) - plays like a classic dungeon crawling RPG
The Caligula Effect: Overdose (2016)

I would also argue that Neverwinter Nights, which uses D&D 3e rules, has it's own version of this style of intermission. The box in the upper-left corner has two things similar to JRPGs: 1) a NPC portrait and 2) dialogue that grinds to a halt, waiting for the player to respond.

https://images.gog-statics.com/a5ca2dcfaa00cbfacff4b1632b73c3644e8b65675ccd23d7da3d8e756c2be833.jpg

The difference between Neverwinter Nights and the JPRGs is that in JRPGs, the NPC portrait and dialogue take up a larger portion of the screen. That distinction shouldn't matter because both are RPGs in some form.

If you compare Persona to Chrono Trigger, as another example, the only difference is that there's character portraits during intermissions in Persona and none with Chrono Trigger. You otherwise, still have characters on screen actively doing stuff during intermission sequences.

https://media.pocketgamer.com/artwork/na-miut/chrono-trigger-ios-1.jpg

Because I do not play a lot of JRPGs, the only other alternative that I've personally encountered are games like that one with the hero guy with a stupidly big sword that doesn't talk once during the entire game. This means that all intermissions only consist of other people talking.



exit - fixed broken link.

Good. But again, it's you who began offending people which encouraged others to do the same.

I apologize for my behavior.

People need to stop making video games part of their personality

Aside from some interesting back and forths in the before times, is there a reason this thread is continuing to be necro'd?

Not that I'm helping, but I figured it won't stay dead for another while anyway.

How to write a troll/bait thread title:

Is it just me, or is (topic) really (negative adjective)?

With example:

Is it just me, or are statements of personal preference presented as evidence of universal truth really annoying?


(Also, most of the thread isn't about Persona 4 and contains many people jumping in at different times for different reasons, so here's my contribution.)

You're right of course. Speaking for myself, I sometimes just have the desire to communicate with fellow gamers about...something. And so the temptation to reply to even a dumb thread can be strong.