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General discussionIs GOG slowly starting to abandon support to non-Galaxy users?(207 posts)(207 posts)
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Posted June 13, 2017
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tfishell: Galaxy is supposed to supercede the Downloader, and I think you can use Galaxy basically as you would the Downloader anyway. I suppose it's "optional" in that you could download through the browser instead of Galaxy.
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Shendue: Not really, because you can't just download games with Galaxy and start them without using Galaxy afterwards.
Once you download them with Galaxy, they will run Galaxy automatically whenever you launch the game.
You can use it offline, but it will run none the less. I do not want a client running in the background, period.
Simply not true. You can run the game without Galaxy regardless of whether you installed the game through Galaxy or from an installer you downloaded using Galaxy. The exception might be multiplayer only games, but I have no idea as I don't play multiplayer.
Posted June 13, 2017
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Shendue: Not really, because you can't just download games with Galaxy and start them without using Galaxy afterwards.
Once you download them with Galaxy, they will run Galaxy automatically whenever you launch the game.
You can use it offline, but it will run none the less. I do not want a client running in the background, period.
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SirPrimalform: Simply not true. You can run the game without Galaxy regardless of whether you installed the game through Galaxy or from an installer you downloaded using Galaxy. The exception might be multiplayer only games, but I have no idea as I don't play multiplayer.
I installed Witcher 3 GOTY, that I have on physical disk, and it was installed by default via Galaxy. If I launch the game, Galaxy is automatically started.
As I specifically wrote, if you read my comment, you can easily work around it if you are a little bit tech savvy (It's just a matter of changing the path of the link on desktop to that of the installation folder), but still it doesn't change the fact that by default it forces you to use Galaxy. It's invasive.
Post edited June 13, 2017 by Shendue
Posted June 13, 2017
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Shendue: I installed Witcher 3 GOTY, that I have on physical disk, and it was installed by default via Galaxy. If I launch the game, Galaxy is automatically started.
It's just in the shortcut, if you launch the game directly from the EXE it won't load Galaxy.
Posted June 13, 2017
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Shendue: I installed Witcher 3 GOTY, that I have on physical disk, and it was installed by default via Galaxy. If I launch the game, Galaxy is automatically started.
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Gersen: It's just in the shortcut, if you launch the game directly from the EXE it won't load Galaxy.
Yup, I know. As I wrote in the original comment, you can easily work around that if you are just a little bit tech savvy, but what if you aren't at all and just want to play games? The fact that it's easily solvable doesn't change the fact that by default it installs on Galaxy and forces you into Galaxy. It's invasive, IMO.

P.S. I edited the previous message for more clarity.
Post edited June 13, 2017 by Shendue
Posted June 13, 2017
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Shendue: Yup, I know. As I wrote in the original comment, you can easily work around that if you are just a little bit tech savvy, but what if you aren't at all and just want to play games?
Well you could argue that users that are not tech savvy enough to change a shortcut are probably also those who are not tech savvy enough to manually download the patches and manually install them.
Posted June 13, 2017
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Shendue: Yup, I know. As I wrote in the original comment, you can easily work around that if you are just a little bit tech savvy, but what if you aren't at all and just want to play games?
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Gersen: Well you could argue that users that are not tech savvy enough to change a shortcut are probably also those who are not tech savvy enough to manually download the patches and manually install them.
Not at all. The downloader and direct download are pretty straightforward, just like installing the patches, that come in easy pre-compiled installers. It's not harder than installing Galaxy itself.
Posted June 15, 2017
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Dave3d: I have to disagree with 'gog made it better'.
Look at Dying Light: Enhanced Edition.
My buddy was going to get this for a 3rd friend of ours that does not have the game. Both my buddy and I have the game on Steam.
Well, when he went to purchase the game, he found out that not only was the game gog Galaxy, but thatwe would NOT be able to even play together, as 'galaxy MP' is ONLY for 'other galaxy users', and it wont even see our Steam games.
So, guess what?
He is waiting for the Steam sale to purchase the game, so we can all play together.
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BKGaming: ...
GOG and Steam are separate stores, both competing against each other. This should be viewed in concept as Xbox One vs PS4, you play among the community in which you buy the game.
No.
So, SO, SO not true.
PC is pc. If you are on a computer, and no matter what os you have, you can connect to pc servers.
Being Galaxy or Steam should NOT point to 'non PC' servers, or specific pc servers (the exception being regions).

Xbox is one set of servers, only for xbox.
PS is ps only servers, for ps.
PC servers are all for all supported operating systems.
Posted June 15, 2017
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BKGaming: ...
GOG and Steam are separate stores, both competing against each other. This should be viewed in concept as Xbox One vs PS4, you play among the community in which you buy the game.
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Dave3d: No.
So, SO, SO not true.
PC is pc. If you are on a computer, and no matter what os you have, you can connect to pc servers.
Being Galaxy or Steam should NOT point to 'non PC' servers, or specific pc servers (the exception being regions).

Xbox is one set of servers, only for xbox.
PS is ps only servers, for ps.
PC servers are all for all supported operating systems.
VAC and different APIs. Crossplay isn't always doable.
Posted June 15, 2017
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Dave3d: No.
So, SO, SO not true.
PC is pc. If you are on a computer, and no matter what os you have, you can connect to pc servers.
Being Galaxy or Steam should NOT point to 'non PC' servers, or specific pc servers (the exception being regions).

Xbox is one set of servers, only for xbox.
PS is ps only servers, for ps.
PC servers are all for all supported operating systems.
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tammerwhisk: VAC and different APIs. Crossplay isn't always doable.
It is when it's DRM-free.
I have never seen such problems with direct IP multi-player that is free of any client.
Posted June 15, 2017
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tammerwhisk: VAC and different APIs. Crossplay isn't always doable.
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Klumpen0815: It is when it's DRM-free.
I have never seen such problems with direct IP multi-player that is free of any client.
Yes well in that case take your rant over to Steam. On some games they're not going to strip out VAC on some stuff or other dependancies anytime soon, nor matchmaking, nor other features.

And not everything is direct IP multiplayer... So have fun with the wishful thinking? I'll be over here in reality where people realize that APIs and related features create dependencies.
Posted June 15, 2017
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Klumpen0815: It is when it's DRM-free.
I have never seen such problems with direct IP multi-player that is free of any client.
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tammerwhisk: [...]wishful thinking[...]
Ahem:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/lists_games_that_need_galaxy_for_multiplayer_and_the_ones_that_dont/page1
Posted June 15, 2017
Dying Light on Steam is protected by Valve Anti-Cheat (VAC). This is to prevent the excessive cheating online that almost killed Dead Island.

I have no idea what online cheating protection the GOG version uses, but the inability to crossplay between GOG and Steam users are because of those protections (and partially some other stuff as well).

Techland most likely need to change what anti-cheat system the Steam version of the game uses to enable crossplay, because I really doubt they're allowed to use VAC in a non-Steam release of the game, since VAC is a part of Valve's Steamworks library that ties into the whole Steam platform.
Posted June 15, 2017
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tammerwhisk: [...]wishful thinking[...]
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Klumpen0815: Ahem:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/lists_games_that_need_galaxy_for_multiplayer_and_the_ones_that_dont/page1
You sure do love to make factually misleading/inaccurate lists don't you? Claiming games have XP "support" elsewhere... and this now?

OH MY GOD THE DRM?! But wait your list is missing information and offline mode is a thing (love to know how Dragon's Dogma would even work without some kind of system in place).

Oh and check the included screenie for Dying Light.
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Posted June 16, 2017
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Aemony: Dying Light on Steam is protected by Valve Anti-Cheat (VAC). This is to prevent the excessive cheating online that almost killed Dead Island.

I have no idea what online cheating protection the GOG version uses, but the inability to crossplay between GOG and Steam users are because of those protections (and partially some other stuff as well).

Techland most likely need to change what anti-cheat system the Steam version of the game uses to enable crossplay, because I really doubt they're allowed to use VAC in a non-Steam release of the game, since VAC is a part of Valve's Steamworks library that ties into the whole Steam platform.
Ah, ok, I didnt know that.
Thank you for pointing it out to me.
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Klumpen0815: Ahem:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/lists_games_that_need_galaxy_for_multiplayer_and_the_ones_that_dont/page1
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tammerwhisk: ...
Oh and check the included screenie for Dying Light.
So, are you saying that if he gets the gog version, since we will be playing on LAN, that we will be able to play the game with both gog and steam together, just because of the LAN feature?
Post edited June 16, 2017 by Dave3d
Posted June 16, 2017
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Aemony: Dying Light on Steam is protected by Valve Anti-Cheat (VAC). This is to prevent the excessive cheating online that almost killed Dead Island.

I have no idea what online cheating protection the GOG version uses, but the inability to crossplay between GOG and Steam users are because of those protections (and partially some other stuff as well).

Techland most likely need to change what anti-cheat system the Steam version of the game uses to enable crossplay, because I really doubt they're allowed to use VAC in a non-Steam release of the game, since VAC is a part of Valve's Steamworks library that ties into the whole Steam platform.
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Dave3d: Ah, ok, I didnt know that.
Thank you for pointing it out to me.
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tammerwhisk: ...
Oh and check the included screenie for Dying Light.
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Dave3d: So, are you saying that if he gets the gog version, since we will be playing on LAN, that we will be able to play the game with both gog and steam together, just because of the LAN feature?
Assuming the Steam build has LAN... probably? If VAC is able to be disabled anyway. I can't actually test the game at all in that capacity to say definitively though.
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