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dnovraD: I know GOG doesn't exactly do a good job disclosing it themselves, but any chance of any way to filter games that are known to have used Hallucinating Markov Chain Generators (LLMs) and Plagiarism Machines (Image Generation AI)?

Personally, I'd bin any game found to use such dreadful tripe, if not for legal reasons then for ethical, then for practical, then for pragmatic, then for selfish reasons, but I'm not the decision maker in charge of that.

Allowing users to be informed of the matter would at the very least, increase the ethics of the situation by allowing purchasers to make a decision based on information.
Would you mind elaborating a bit on what those are, for someone who does not follow contemporary trends?
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mrkgnao: Would you mind elaborating a bit on what those are, for someone who does not follow contemporary trends?
I described them thusly already. But alright.

Large Language Model: An internet connected parrot. Anything it says is just parroted, made up, or trained wrong as a joke.

Image Generation: You give it a prompt and based on whatever images it manages to steal, it spits out an image.

Both of these are what I would personally class as ethical biohazards for a variety of reasons and I hold anyone who looks upon them positively with utter contempt & derision.

They scrape loads of data, copy anything they see, can mislead people easily, use great masses of power, and hammer the internet.

It's also why I advocate the use of algorithm damaging software like Glaze and Nepenthes.
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mrkgnao: Would you mind elaborating a bit on what those are, for someone who does not follow contemporary trends?
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dnovraD: I described them thusly already. But alright.

Large Language Model: An internet connected parrot. Anything it says is just parroted, made up, or trained wrong as a joke.

Image Generation: You give it a prompt and based on whatever images it manages to steal, it spits out an image.

Both of these are what I would personally class as ethical biohazards for a variety of reasons and I hold anyone who looks upon them positively with utter contempt & derision.

They scrape loads of data, copy anything they see, can mislead people easily, use great masses of power, and hammer the internet.

It's also why I advocate the use of algorithm damaging software like Glaze and Nepenthes.
Thank you.
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gogtrial34987: I'm swamped the next few days, so it might take me until Thursday before I can correctly handle these.
I managed to find a spot of time today, and made quite some progress toward this. I'm reasonably pleased with the way I've set up most of the relevant code here, as for the most part, adding this new type was a breeze. (Though preemptively handling future repacking shenanigans remains complex.) If I manage to scrounge together some more time tomorrow as well, and no troublesome edgecases pop up, I should be able to release it ahead of schedule.

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mrkgnao: P.S. The name mod is very confusing. These are NOT mods, but rather modded standalone games.
FWIW, I'm (probably) using the phrase "modded game" for the filters, but sadly had to opt for "mod" for the grouped view, as "modded game" wouldn't fit on one line there.

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Cavalary: It seems fair to me to treat them as expansions as long as they require owning the game to get. Even more so when gogtrial34987 said gamesieve isn't meant as a GOG database explorer but a tool for those looking for GOG games to buy, so it looks at things from the perspective of making a purchase.
And total conversions are mods, after all.
You can get Soul Harvest on its own. You can't get Archolos on its own.
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mrkgnao: Fair enough. The buying restriction makes sense, even though gamesieve --- understandably --- does not adhere to it religiously (e.g. Obduction Soundtrack).
Indeed. If it's buyable standalone, it'll mostly be a game, but can be a demo/expansion/goodie/bundle depending on circumstances. If it isn't buyable standalone, it'll always be a "dependent product".

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mrkgnao: P.S. Would appreciate a cookie treatment (i.e. remember setting across sessions) for group=false, especially now that one can have owned game colouring.
Heh, I'd just removed that idea from the roadmap, as I didn't expect anyone to want it anymore now that I have the grouped product filter. I'll add it back on, but this won't be as trivial / swift to implement as the nsfw tag. I'm trying to avoid managing state/having a session, so I'll treat each URL as standalone. If you have a preference for group=false, I can auto-apply it when it's missing (and remove the preference when you click on the group: yes toggle) - but what should happen if the URL you request has a filter which doesn't work when grouping is toggled off? And is this auto-applying behaviour actually what you want in all cases? E.g. if you follow a link from here, which will mostly assume the grouped view? (I'm facing the same issue with the country preference and price filters.)
I might have to explicitly add the default state for these preferences to the URL as well, but I worked really hard for clean URLs with good defaults, so that's not a step I'm willing to take lightly.

It might be more effective to update the userscript to separately highlight owned grouped products (they each have an id listed in the HTML as well, so doing so should be semi-trivial).
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gogtrial34987: Heh, I'd just removed that idea from the roadmap, as I didn't expect anyone to want it anymore now that I have the grouped product filter. I'll add it back on, but this won't be as trivial / swift to implement as the nsfw tag. I'm trying to avoid managing state/having a session, so I'll treat each URL as standalone. If you have a preference for group=false, I can auto-apply it when it's missing (and remove the preference when you click on the group: yes toggle) - but what should happen if the URL you request has a filter which doesn't work when grouping is toggled off? And is this auto-applying behaviour actually what you want in all cases? E.g. if you follow a link from here, which will mostly assume the grouped view? (I'm facing the same issue with the country preference and price filters.)
I might have to explicitly add the default state for these preferences to the URL as well, but I worked really hard for clean URLs with good defaults, so that's not a step I'm willing to take lightly.

It might be more effective to update the userscript to separately highlight owned grouped products (they each have an id listed in the HTML as well, so doing so should be semi-trivial).
Never mind. I didn't realise it was complicated. I just changed my bookmark from:
https://gamesieve.com
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https://gamesieve.com/?group=false&okay_tag=nsfw
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dnovraD: I know GOG doesn't exactly do a good job disclosing it themselves, but any chance of any way to filter games that are known to have used Hallucinating Markov Chain Generators (LLMs) and Plagiarism Machines (Image Generation AI)?
As a human, I won't confidently hallucinate false information, so I'd need a more-or-less complete/accurate source which I can use to denote this. I'm happy to do some legwork to verify / fill in missing bits, but right now I don't have any starting point at all.

Can you give me some examples of how GOG does disclose this information right now? If it's in the main product description and there's a clear pattern to it (I'd want at least 20 games fitting the pattern - and am kinda hoping there aren't nearly that many games going this way yet!), I might enrich based on that.

Alternatively/additionally, my long-term plan is to bring back gog mixes in some form, and allow filtering by them (including excludes), so once that's in place, anyone could maintain a manual list of these games and everyone else would be able to exclude based on it.
Post edited 3 days ago by gogtrial34987
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gogtrial34987: As a human, I won't confidently hallucinate false information, so I'd need a more-or-less complete/accurate source which I can use to denote this. I'm happy to do some legwork to verify / fill in missing bits, but right now I don't have any starting point at all.

Can you give me some examples of how GOG does disclose this information right now? If it's in the main product description and there's a clear pattern to it (I'd want at least 20 games fitting the pattern - and am kinda hoping there aren't nearly that many games going this way yet!), I might enrich based on that.

Alternatively/additionally, my long-term plan is to bring back gog mixes in some form, and allow filtering by them (including excludes), so once that's in place, anyone could maintain a manual list of these games and everyone else would be able to exclude based on it.
If someone tells GOG, there have been disclosures marked on the game page, but unfortunately that requires GOG to be disclosed to or informed of. Yog Sogoth's Yard has obvious GenAI content, but it isn't disclosed because the pubdev didn't disclose. This leads to the other problem. The kind of games that have stooped to GenAI content are exactly the kind I can't be bothered to deign to look at. However, I can certainly go visit the garbage dump and look.
Post edited 3 days ago by dnovraD
There needs to be a function to hide certain publishers/games altogether somehow.
For example, whalerock's "games" consistently pollute the discount lists and just looking at them is a waste of time.
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ASTROASS: There needs to be a function to hide certain publishers/games altogether somehow.
For example, whalerock's "games" consistently pollute the discount lists and just looking at them is a waste of time.
I wholeheartedly agree. The ability to permanently hide games is my personal holy grail for the site. It's going to take quite a while to get there, but I am taking deliberate steps toward it.

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I just had a thought on an effective way to get there faster - question for everyone who wants certain settings to be applied automatically:
Would it be useful enough (maybe even preferable) to do this only if you visit the homepage (so https://gamesieve.com/ ), from where they'll then be retained on further navigation/searching - but if you follow a link / bookmark from anywhere else, is it okay that you'll get exactly what the URL says, and that your desired default filters/sorting/... won't apply?

I need to think this through, but I think I personally like the thought - it feels elegant and sufficient. I'd add a button somewhere near the selected filters which says something like "apply these filters (+ sort + country) permanently on the homepage", store that in a cookie, and only act the cookie when no other URL parameters are present. (Of course a default non-relevance sort will be annoying when searching for game titles with generic names, so yes, the logical next step would then also be to have a search titles only toggle...)

So @ASTROASS, that'd mean that once I've implemented this, you'd navigate to https://gamesieve.com/?exclude_publisher=whale-rock-games - click that button, and from then on, whenever you visit the homepage, that exclusion will be automatically applied.
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gogtrial34987: Would it be useful enough (maybe even preferable) to do this only if you visit the homepage (so https://gamesieve.com/ ), from where they'll then be retained on further navigation/searching - but if you follow a link / bookmark from anywhere else, is it okay that you'll get exactly what the URL says, and that your desired default filters/sorting/... won't apply?
I'd say no. You may have bookmarks for something specific, or click links posted by others, but more importantly you can add the site as a search engine in browser (I did), any of those options taking you to something with other parameters, and that means the settings you expect to be there won't be.
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gogtrial34987: Would it be useful enough (maybe even preferable) to do this only if you visit the homepage (so https://gamesieve.com/ ), from where they'll then be retained on further navigation/searching - but if you follow a link / bookmark from anywhere else, is it okay that you'll get exactly what the URL says, and that your desired default filters/sorting/... won't apply?
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Cavalary: I'd say no. You may have bookmarks for something specific, or click links posted by others
Wouldn't you have bookmarked precisely the page you want? Would you really want it to be modified later? (Not so much arguing against it, as trying to understand the scenario here...)

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Cavalary: but more importantly you can add the site as a search engine in browser (I did)
Cool! How did you do that / with which browser? I thought I had to provide a specific file / instruction to enable this. => Ah, I see with Firefox you can right-click on the search field and set "Add a keyword for this search...", and that will also inherit the country / grouping / nsfw preference as they were set when you created that bookmark/keyword. (Is that what you did? Or is there another way?) I certainly could make the defaults apply to the search field, but if you change them later, the changed version indeed wouldn't be applied, as you'd need to update the bookmark for it.

How often would everyone's desired "applied by default" settings change?
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Support for modded games is now here. (non-grouped view)

I manually fixed the classification for Nehrim as well, since it behaves exactly like all other modded games.

Goodies/dlc for modded games will continue to show up under the main goodies/expansions labels, same as before. I realize this is not ideal, but for the moment the effort in improving that doesn't feel worth it compared to everything else I could be working on. I'll re-evaluate once there are more modded games which have goodies/dlc of their own.
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gogtrial34987: I just had a thought on an effective way to get there faster - question for everyone who wants certain settings to be applied automatically:
Would it be useful enough (maybe even preferable) to do this only if you visit the homepage (so https://gamesieve.com/ ), from where they'll then be retained on further navigation/searching - but if you follow a link / bookmark from anywhere else, is it okay that you'll get exactly what the URL says, and that your desired default filters/sorting/... won't apply?
For me, it would be fine, but I understand Cavalary's misgivings.

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gogtrial34987: Support for modded games is now here. (non-grouped view)

I manually fixed the classification for Nehrim as well, since it behaves exactly like all other modded games.
Nice. And good call.
Post edited 2 days ago by mrkgnao
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gogtrial34987: Wouldn't you have bookmarked precisely the page you want? Would you really want it to be modified later? (Not so much arguing against it, as trying to understand the scenario here...)
Maybe. I guess that was the least likely scenario where the issue would appear.
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gogtrial34987: Cool! How did you do that / with which browser?
Vivaldi. You can just add search engines manually in settings, put in the URL with %s for the keyword and good to go.
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footage_de_gueule: Maybe an expend/collapse thing for the criterias on the left side.
This now exists. Thanks for suggesting it! :)
Post edited 6 hours ago by gogtrial34987