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apehater: just saw this article and got furious:

This is the hottest console on the market right now. But is it worth it?

… the New 3DS XL Majora’s Mask Limited edition, of course.

The device is nowhere to be found, was sold out within minutes on any site that had it, and bought by scalpers: people who buy an item just to resell them at a higher price point instantly, sometimes reselling a preordered item they haven’t received yet.
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apehater: today you don't only have to live with shitty and greedy pubs/devs but also with scalpers!!! ... did i forget someone?
Blame Nintendo. They are long enough on the market to know that there are too many ppl without any ethics in trading. They don't know and even if they don't care (on the personal level) that these are limited editions "made for fans" and if Nintendo would have cared to begin with they could have regulated the sales.
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DreamedArtist: did it come with a little statue of the mask dude? I wanted to get one but my local mom & pop shops was sold out :/ watch eb the day of have it for 200+ lol >:(
skull kid
and not that i know off

statues tedn to be expensive
especially the ones made of nintendo characters

even amibo's are 15 a pop
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awalterj: Under communism, the New 3DS XL Majora’s Mask Limited edition would be a sad shit brick made out of clay with one button and one pre-installed game in which you slaughter the evil Imperialist Pigs by farting deadly rainbows out of the Supreme Leader's ass.
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Khadgar42: Well awalterj, you are assuming that the new 3DS XL Majora’s Mask Limited edition isn't a "sad shit brick" in the first place.
I don't have a 3DS XL Majora’s Mask Limited edition so I can't say how good or not good is but I'll bet anything on it not being a sad shit brick. Nintendo has been putting out decent hardware for decades. I still have the first generation NDS and it works perfectly fine.

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Khadgar42: But have you considered that it is in the best interest of capitalism that things break so that companies can sell us stuff again.
Of course many companies make stuff that is designed to not last long, not a secret at all. If everything would last forever, millions of people would be out of work.
Besides, it's the consumer's fault if you run to Saturn/Aldi & Konsorten and buy inferior cheap products because "Geiz ist geil!". If you save up for higher quality products and are willing to pay more for that, you'll get stuff with more longevity if you choose carefully and wisely. In 1993, I bought a SONY hi fi system that cost around $1300. I had saved up for years and years, patiently filling my little piggy bank. As massive as that investment was for me back in the day, I still have and use that hi fi system. It will eventually stop working but I'd say I got my money's worth on that investment.


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Khadgar42: So we can argue about why a 3DS is what it is, but just out of curiosity, are you aware why light bulbs break?
I haven't had any light bulbs break on me in years. Light bulbs probably break because the evil capitalists employ dark witches that place sinister curses on every product so it will break soon enough so they can make more money.
On a more serious note, just the other day I had to replace the light bulb in my kitchen. After 10 years. It cost me $7 to replace it. I can see the point you're trying to make but the light bulb example isn't a very good one to make that point because I'm getting plenty of value out of my light bulbs. $7 for 10 years, that's entirely fine with me.

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Khadgar42: Or why we have Moore's law which forces video game developers to have incredibly bad development cycles?
Well capitalism happened...
Moore's law doesn't matter to me anymore because I'm more into retro gaming, not least because of budget limitations. Bad development cycles don't concern me anymore either because I don't buy any new games that get released in unacceptable condition and buy them once they're sufficiently patched and sufficiently cheap.
If you're a high end AAA games customer then it sucks for you, I can see that. But to blame capitalism for that, now that's ridiculous.
A quick glance at a list of my favorite games shows that the vast majority of them were made in the US, a certified capitalist nation, and all the other games I treasure were made in capitalist nations as well.
Moore's law and bad development cycles didn't prevent the making of all the games I have and enjoy. Sure, games like Arcanum were released in a completely unacceptable condition but if you think that such games would even be made in non-capitalist countries then that's all hypothesis and the burden of proof is entirely on you.

Bashing capitalism is a useless thing to do -unless- you can propose a system that's better and back this up with evidence.
Communism has been tried plenty of times and failed miserably, sad shit brick style miserably.
"But that wasn't real communism!" -> Well, if real communism only exists inside people's heads then it's irrelevant. Show something that works on a level higher than agreements between an individual and his roommates to share the contents of their fridge.

Why do you think the Berlin wall was built? To keep people from East Germany fleeing to West Germany, not the other way around - except for a few wackos. And for those who were happy in the DDR (and I personally know a few in RL), some of them claim to have been perfectly happy but when all you get to play with is sad shit bricks and that's all you know, that still doesn't mean people in East Germany were better off than those in the West. It just means brainwashing works on some people, to the point of where they actually believe they were happier. Didn't' help all the ones who were unhappy and wanted to escape to the West.
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snowkatt: yes it does rather
and the nes is just a boring grey shoebox
Mind your tongue sir. That shoebox is quite the piece of geek chic if esty is anything to go by.
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snowkatt: yes it does rather
and the nes is just a boring grey shoebox
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ScotchMonkey: Mind your tongue sir. That shoebox is quite the piece of geek chic if esty is anything to go by.
its still ugly !

the megadrive looks better and so does the famicom
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ScotchMonkey: Mind your tongue sir. That shoebox is quite the piece of geek chic if esty is anything to go by.
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snowkatt: its still ugly !

the megadrive looks better and so does the famicom
Few things bring back better memories than that ugly shoebox. The Genesis was a slick piece though, definitely one of the better aesthetics of 90's cool. Funny thing about the Genesis, as it was huge in two places: Europe and the hood.
Post edited February 23, 2015 by ScotchMonkey
i never had a nes in its hey day when i got it it was already old hat ( and i was 6 )

the megadrive brings back better memories for me then the nes
So the only thing different about it is the paint job / skin on the outside?
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HereForTheBeer: So the only thing different about it is the paint job / skin on the outside?
yes
and it comes with the game
"who's the more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows him...?"

*wink to everyone in this thread* XD
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Shmacky-McNuts: "who's the more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows him...?"

*wink to everyone in this thread* XD
*winkback* :)
Well, well well, are we getting a little defensive now my dear awalterj?
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awalterj: [...]
I don't have a 3DS XL Majora’s Mask Limited edition so I can't say how good or not good is but I'll bet anything on it not being a sad shit brick. Nintendo has been putting out decent hardware for decades. I still have the first generation NDS and it works perfectly fine.
I never claimed that Majora's Mask XL Limited edition is bad, for me it is simply not good enough (especially for the price) but I generally aim higher and in a perfectly working Utopia it would be better. *sigh* Utopias are fun, aren't they?

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awalterj: [...]
it's the consumer's fault if you run to Saturn/Aldi & Konsorten and buy inferior cheap products because "Geiz ist geil!" [...]
That's basically capitalism at its greatest. At least in my humble opinion. I'm not here to jugde, I'm happy as consuming exploitative capitalist of the first world. But many people would be upset if they would the reflect on the misery, exploitation and waste of resources this low-quality-as-cheap-as possible consumerism is creating.

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awalterj: [...] Light bulbs probably break because the evil capitalists employ dark witches that place sinister curses on every product so it will break soon enough so they can make more money.[...]
Don't even think of labelling me in the wrong corner you proletarian Bolshevik! Just because you think you are rich enough to afford a new light bulbs doesn't mean it is a good idea to have light bulbs with a limited year lifespan (if they could be longer without effort)! If the light-bulb making people would be out of work they would maybe engage in artistic endeavours, maybe become scientists and help save the world or maybe homeless bums and further destabilize the already apparently rather rotten system. All better than building light bulbs I think, but if any lightbulb factory worker is here to disagree I'm happy to hear his arguments...

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Khadgar42: Or why we have Moore's law which forces video game developers to have incredibly bad development cycles?
Well capitalism happened...
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awalterj: Moore's law doesn't matter to me [...]
That's my favourite kind of response, since it doesn't matter to you, you don't care. By all means, go ahead and wonder why people don't care what you say or feel.

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awalterj: Bashing capitalism is a useless thing to do -unless- you can propose a system that's better and back this up with evidence.
Who is bashing capitalism? I never said it's bad for me, I don't like its byproducts and the misery it causes while exploiting the poor. I'm just happy that I'm born rich. I'm a lucky bastard. At least I'm not ashamed of admitting it. But that doesn't mean that I have to like it or hype it as you do.


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awalterj: Communism has been tried plenty of times and failed miserably, sad shit brick style miserably.
[...]
Why do you think the Berlin wall was built?
People mostly fled from Eastern Germany because it was a SED-Led dictatorship and the West resembled a democracy. It's all fine and dandy if you believe the neighbouring system is better and you can finally leave the oppressive regime.

How about us now? For us it's rather easy, you just have to believe in your system, especially in the government, go ahead I won't stop you. You want to be a cog in the machine be my guest.
I never said there has been a better system yet, I never said any sad attempts of communism were better (and you are right those so called communist dictators failed spectacularly) but I'm sure as hell not going to like this system only because it's the best effort we were able to cobble together.

You think the exploitation of child labour, theft (basically) of natural resources of third world countries and cheap productions cost in Asia are not part of capitalistic endeavours, fine. Let's just hope our generation doesn't have to pay that bill that ramps up every year and we just keep our system in power for as long as possible before we are dead or too old to even care.

If you want to see how non-capitalisitc systems work today, just have a look a Firefox and Wikipedia. But you will probably dismiss that again as something shitty that doesn't work for you, or you don't care because you are in the entitled position that you can afford slow and buggy surfing with the almighty Internet Explorer.

Again, by me guest, I don't care what your political and economical fetishes are.

I'm just here to point out that they are indeed fetishes in my opinion and that one should remain critical and wary of these things whenever humanly possible. And now I'm having capitalistic bacon from genetically modified pig that has more ribs and more fat and is probably processed by a underpaid butcher who has to work overtime to pay for his mortage and divorce. In a bad communistic dictatorship, with my incredible luck I would be related to the dictator and would have my own bacon butchery - factory - I would fancy that too...
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HereForTheBeer: So the only thing different about it is the paint job / skin on the outside?
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snowkatt: yes
and it comes with the game
The plain unit is $200 MSRP / $170 street and the game is $41 (Amazon US price). The extra $60-$90 is for a paint job? Yikes. I guess if one is fanatical enough to pay an extra 1/4 to 1/3 the price for a "limited edition" cover that's going to get scuffed and scratched through normal wear and tear while playing the same game everyone else gets...
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awalterj:
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Khadgar42:
One thing, you should get across and you mentioned it, and actually acknowledge, is that at least Capitalism leads for the people or country using it for it's advantage, but it also takes away from my country and many others which have no market or regulations for any materia or product distribution, so for one, you could say capitalism is kinda leech~ish, but also oportunist, take it for the socialist, who is the anti-thesis and closest working to communism, except EVEN MORE DICKISH, for monarchial corruption, with a democratic camouflage...
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Khadgar42:
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GioVio123: One thing, you should get across and you mentioned it, and actually acknowledge, is that at least Capitalism leads for the people or country using it for it's advantage, but it also takes away from my country and many others which have no market or regulations for any materia or product distribution[...]
Since you have already taken the time to respond to my thread, may I ask you a question out of my curiosity?
From this rather limited European view, I can't see how the situation in your country is.
As you said "capitalists are leeching it dry" I'm just wondering...
It's not that exploited or poor people can loose that much so why don't you turn into some kind of stupid ISIS like mob. Not that I want to encourage that or anything but I'm just wondering why does your country and its citizens tag along?
Basically, what makes you part of this "capitalistic" thing?
Post edited February 24, 2015 by Khadgar42