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Hi, i might consider an i3 ( yes it is pretty average.. compared to i7 9700k..) mainly because of cooling issues and heavy coolers needed in order to cool the hardware.

latest i5 vs latest i7 might not be that different in terms cooling , so i am curious about i3 and what the minimum hardware would be needed to keep things cool :D ( without sagging the mobo and cpu) compared to i7-9700k

Anyway, it would be nice to be able to use < 600 gram coolers to avoid sagging .... i don't like the idea of using statues or other objects to support the mobo/cpu from sagging or use a cable to support the weight like many videos show.
Post edited January 16, 2020 by gamesfreak64
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Sagging? Support for a cooler? WTF? I've never seen a single recommendation for anything like that.

I have a 880 g Thermalright cooler on my i5, no support needed. My last PC had a 930 g Scythe cooler for 10 years, again no additional support needed and no technical issues of any kind, despite moving three times.
Post edited January 16, 2020 by Randalator
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Randalator: I have a 880 g Thermalright cooler on my i5, no support needed. My last PC had a 930 g Scythe cooler for 10 years, again no additional support needed and no technical issues of any kind, despite moving three times.
Same here. Those heavy coolers use through-motherboard metal brackets; NOT some plastic clips. I've only had one cooler detach itself while moving - and that was a standard Intel one.
Post edited January 16, 2020 by teceem
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Randalator: I have a 880 g Thermalright cooler on my i5, no support needed. My last PC had a 930 g Scythe cooler for 10 years, again no additional support needed and no technical issues of any kind, despite moving three times.
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teceem: Same here. Those heavy coolers use through-motherboard metal brackets; NOT some plastic clips. I've only had one cooler detach itself while moving - and that was a standard Intel one.
Also, no mainboard or cooler manufacturer would sell their stuff without huuuuuuuge disclaimers regarding the need for additional support if there was even the slightest chance of damage during normal operation. Or without bundling said solutions with their products in the first place.

The glaring lack of professional support solutions by first or third parties speaks volumes regarding the veracity of such claims. That would be a huge market if weight damage were a thing.
Post edited January 16, 2020 by Randalator
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Randalator: Also, no mainboard or cooler manufacturer would sell their stuff without huuuuuuuge disclaimers regarding the need for additional support if there was even the slightest chance of damage during normal operation.

Not to speak of the glaring lack of professional support solutions by first or third parties. That would be a huge market if weight damage were a thing.
I didn't know there were 3rd party solutions. All my heavy coolers came with really solid attachments (a Zalman 9500 for many many years and now a Coolermaster Hyper 2012).
I still wouldn't trust the postal service with any desktop case, no matter how heavy or light the CPU cooler is.
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Randalator: Also, no mainboard or cooler manufacturer would sell their stuff without huuuuuuuge disclaimers regarding the need for additional support if there was even the slightest chance of damage during normal operation.

Not to speak of the glaring lack of professional support solutions by first or third parties. That would be a huge market if weight damage were a thing.
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teceem: I didn't know there were 3rd party solutions.
There aren't. That's my point.
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Randalator: There aren't. That's my point.
Oops! While I certainly understand the need for sarcasm... it made me misread something in your post. ;-)

Anyway, sagging is actually more an issue with higher end graphics cards. (well... issue... no graphics card will break off when the PC is stationary)
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gamesfreak64: i don't like the idea of using statues or other objects to support the mobo/cpu from sagging or use a cable to support the weight like many videos show.
I wonder what kind of questionable videos you've been watching? Cables? You might be suffering from a bit of confirmation bias...
Post edited January 16, 2020 by teceem
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Randalator: Sagging? Support for a cooler? WTF? I've never seen a single recommendation for anything like that.

I have a 880 g Thermalright cooler on my i5, no support needed. My last PC had a 930 g Scythe cooler for 10 years, again no additional support needed and no technical issues of any kind, despite moving three times.
Thanks for the very quick reply.


It's based on many results i got when i Googled, plus l have seen many videos of pc buidlers talking about it...
some solved it by placing an object under it, others ' sacrificied' an empty slot so it is no joke , it exists , i never joke when i 'm talking about hardware.

Anyway the videos are there.... just search and you will find them.... i just wanted the info so i can compare, if it's turns out not be a big difference i will stick to my first option and buy the i9700 k, if it dies make a big difference i might consider an i3.
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Randalator: I have a 880 g Thermalright cooler on my i5, no support needed. My last PC had a 930 g Scythe cooler for 10 years, again no additional support needed and no technical issues of any kind, despite moving three times.
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teceem: Same here. Those heavy coolers use through-motherboard metal brackets; NOT some plastic clips. I've only had one cooler detach itself while moving - and that was a standard Intel one.
Thank you for the replies ... i'm happy to read you did not had any problems at all... but sometime some people do have problems , maybe they were born to experience many problems, i consider it a case of bad luck ( bad luck is almost my middle name).

Anyway.... like i mentioned in previous replies i am serious this is no joke , i'f i plan to joke about things , i will always tell it before i start a topic and or reply to answers.
Post edited January 16, 2020 by gamesfreak64
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Randalator: Sagging? Support for a cooler? WTF? I've never seen a single recommendation for anything like that.

I have a 880 g Thermalright cooler on my i5, no support needed. My last PC had a 930 g Scythe cooler for 10 years, again no additional support needed and no technical issues of any kind, despite moving three times.
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gamesfreak64: Thanks for the very quick reply.

It's based on many results i got when i Googled, plus l have seen many videos of pc buidlers talking about it...
some solved it by placing an object under it, others ' sacrificied' an empty slot so it is no joke , it exists , i never joke when i 'm talking about hardware.

Anyway the videos are there.... just search and you will find them.... i just wanted the info so i can compare, if it's turns out not be a big difference i will stick to my first option and buy the i9700 k, if it dies make a big difference i might consider an i3.
The fact that these guys have to resort to crude DIY solutions because there are literally no commercial products available for that purpose should tell you everything you need to know.

If there is a need for such solutions, why does the market not provide them?
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gamesfreak64: Thank you for the replies ... i'm happy to read you did not had any problems at all... but sometime some people do have problems , maybe they were born to experience many problems, i consider it a case of bad luck ( bad luck is almost my middle name).
I mentioned it before: confirmation bias. On internet, often, the dissatisfied minority is a lot louder than the issue-less majority. That doesn't mean that the dissatisfied are necessarily a minority.
Try to do your research without bias; it isn't easy or low-effort. Don't ignore reviews on reputable tech sites / but don't limit yourself to one or two. A lot of Youtube reviews are click bait. User tech reviews are more often than not like taking advise from your drunk uncle at a family party. Internet as a whole in 2020 is far from the geek gathering place it used to be... a long time ago, in a galaxy far away.
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gamesfreak64: Thanks for the very quick reply.

It's based on many results i got when i Googled, plus l have seen many videos of pc buidlers talking about it...
some solved it by placing an object under it, others ' sacrificied' an empty slot so it is no joke , it exists , i never joke when i 'm talking about hardware.

Anyway the videos are there.... just search and you will find them.... i just wanted the info so i can compare, if it's turns out not be a big difference i will stick to my first option and buy the i9700 k, if it dies make a big difference i might consider an i3.
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Randalator: The fact that these guys have to resort to crude DIY solutions because there are literally no commercial products available for that purpose should tell you everything you need to know.

If there is a need for such solutions, why does the market not provide them?
It seems solutions are available but it is too tech for me :D thats why i asked if an i3 cpu will do with a light cpu cooler: 400 to 600 grams instead of 1.2 kilo, and if the cpu will be cooled when it runs at its turbo mode ( not talking overclocking cause i never need a (overclock) , just want to make sure i can run the new setup even on a summer day, normally its always wet and cold in our country , but climate is almost ++++ according to the entire world :D
so a good cooler is needed to keep things cool.

Anyway i'm comparingthings , pricewise so i can make sure i wont end up spending too much Euros on a 'rig' i cant keep cool at full load, which would be a total waste of precious money....
Okay i think i will simply add all things up and see which build will be the cheapest , it will be very likely it needs to be removed after 4 years of service , to prevent what happend with this 10 year old rig: a new setup is really needed after 4 or max. 5 years .
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Randalator: The fact that these guys have to resort to crude DIY solutions because there are literally no commercial products available for that purpose should tell you everything you need to know.

If there is a need for such solutions, why does the market not provide them?
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gamesfreak64: It seems solutions are available but it is too tech for me :D thats why i asked if an i3 cpu will do with a light cpu cooler: 400 to 600 grams instead of 1.2 kilo, and if the cpu will be cooled when it runs at its turbo mode ( not talking overclocking cause i never need a (overclock) , just want to make sure i can run the new setup even on a summer day, normally its always wet and cold in our country , but climate is almost ++++ according to the entire world :D
so a good cooler is needed to keep things cool.

Anyway i'm comparingthings , pricewise so i can make sure i wont end up spending too much Euros on a 'rig' i cant keep cool at full load, which would be a total waste of precious money....
Even an i5 has no need for a 1.2 kg monstrosity. My Macho Rev. B (880 g) with a 140 mm fan easily keeps my i5 6600K in the low fifties even under full load and in the worst summer heat.
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Randalator: Even an i5 has no need for a 1.2 kg monstrosity. My Macho Rev. B (880 g) with a 140 mm fan easily keeps my i5 6600K in the low fifties even under full load and in the worst summer heat.
It's not only about need. A big ass Noctua will keep a high end CPU (overclocked or not) cool enough while being relatively quiet.
Which means: it will be REALLY quiet when used to cool a low end i3 or i5. If you care about noise, higher end (heavier) air coolers will be quieter. And I just don't see how weight is relevant (to the OP). Even in the context of LAN parties - a dark rock pro 4 e.g. could withstand a lot of moving and shaking before it fell off.

I'm sure you can find some stories online about someone's heavy washing machine that fell through the floor. Is that an argument to buy the lightest crappiest washing machine you can find? Or to conclude that the weight of washing machines is generally an issue?
Post edited January 16, 2020 by teceem
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Randalator: Even an i5 has no need for a 1.2 kg monstrosity. My Macho Rev. B (880 g) with a 140 mm fan easily keeps my i5 6600K in the low fifties even under full load and in the worst summer heat.
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teceem: It's not only about need. A big ass Noctua will keep a high end CPU (overclocked or not) cool enough while being relatively quiet.
I have a silent build. On more than one occasion I have accidentally powered down my PC because I didn't notice that it was already running. Any noise the CPU fan might produce under load will inevitably be drowned out by what little noise the case fans and GPU fans produce.

The only way to go more silent would be water cooling with an external radiator.
Post edited January 16, 2020 by Randalator