Posted June 23, 2022

Dessimu
Irish ☕ good
Registered: Aug 2014
From Denmark

detective_razza
New User
Registered: Jun 2022
From United Kingdom

RWarehall
Ja'loja!
Registered: Jan 2012
From United States

JoeSapphire
Consultant Liar
Registered: Jun 2011
From United Kingdom
Posted June 24, 2022

i mean, it could have been sarcasm, but it was speculation of buck giving away being mafia?
I am kinda tempted to take razza at face value here and say she doesn't know if bucktooth is mafia or not. What do you reckon, razza?

Dessimu
Irish ☕ good
Registered: Aug 2014
From Denmark

my name is catte
i touch your foods
Registered: Mar 2010
From United Kingdom

ZFR
I love gold!
Registered: Jan 2010
From Ireland
Posted June 24, 2022
Sorry, everyone, I was flying today, busy tomorrow, and gone during the weekend. My participation will be rather short.
I've read through all the posts.
a) bucktooth claiming Bomb - that's another PR lynch on D1 by a scum (as opposed to vanilla lynch). I was at least right that scum would go for PR on D1 (and vanilla on later Days). The claim was so strange I was very sure we're hitting Town and just going with a policy lynch. So again, gg bucktooth.
b) I see now why Frost thought it would be role madness. Given his PR and whatever flavour probably accompanied it.
c) I must be one of the few who sees babark as Towny? For some reason, I can't see scum!babark be so passive. Could be a survivor.
Lifthrasil: Players:
1. Joe Sapphire as Mancomb Seepgood
2. ZFR as Ben
3. Babark as Bobbin Threadbare
4. bucktoothgamer as Manny Calavera - lynched D1, was possessed by Purple Tentacle, Mafia Goon
5. Catte as Sanspoof
6. Dedoporno as Guybrush Threepwood
7. (Lord Cephy) Dessimu as Prof. Henry Jones Sr.
8. frostburnphoenix as Max
9. RWarehall as Dash Rendar
10. Detective_razza as Elaine Marley
11. HypersomniacLive as Boston Low
12. Ambiti0nZ as Zac McKracken
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think we can get it by PoE.
I'll exclude: HSL, RWarehall, AMbitionz (now that our issue is cleared, he's no longer a distraction either), Dessimu (based on D1 Cephy), dedo, babark and am left with:
Joe, catte and razza
And this is where our scum reside I think.
Does anyone think lack of Joe's bragging rights was because he's Mafia. I mean I know bragging rights were on my mind from the start, and Joe usually goes along.
I see there is already a vote on razza.
Vote Joe
I've read through all the posts.
a) bucktooth claiming Bomb - that's another PR lynch on D1 by a scum (as opposed to vanilla lynch). I was at least right that scum would go for PR on D1 (and vanilla on later Days). The claim was so strange I was very sure we're hitting Town and just going with a policy lynch. So again, gg bucktooth.
b) I see now why Frost thought it would be role madness. Given his PR and whatever flavour probably accompanied it.
c) I must be one of the few who sees babark as Towny? For some reason, I can't see scum!babark be so passive. Could be a survivor.

1. Joe Sapphire as Mancomb Seepgood
2. ZFR as Ben
3. Babark as Bobbin Threadbare
4. bucktoothgamer as Manny Calavera - lynched D1, was possessed by Purple Tentacle, Mafia Goon
5. Catte as Sanspoof
6. Dedoporno as Guybrush Threepwood
7. (Lord Cephy) Dessimu as Prof. Henry Jones Sr.
8. frostburnphoenix as Max
9. RWarehall as Dash Rendar
10. Detective_razza as Elaine Marley
11. HypersomniacLive as Boston Low
12. Ambiti0nZ as Zac McKracken
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I'll exclude: HSL, RWarehall, AMbitionz (now that our issue is cleared, he's no longer a distraction either), Dessimu (based on D1 Cephy), dedo, babark and am left with:
Joe, catte and razza
And this is where our scum reside I think.
Does anyone think lack of Joe's bragging rights was because he's Mafia. I mean I know bragging rights were on my mind from the start, and Joe usually goes along.
I see there is already a vote on razza.
Vote Joe

JoeSapphire
Consultant Liar
Registered: Jun 2011
From United Kingdom
Posted June 24, 2022
as in changing my vote to bucktooth? hm.
JoeSapphire: you think RW is town, but I voted for him, and I was good at guessing in the last game.
So the logical conclusion is that Joe is lying? Not that you might be wrong?
Dessimu: Well, yeah. I mean, the way RWarehall expresses himself does seem honest and helpful. He voted Buck. And Buck cross-voted him. I don't think it was mafia on mafia. Don't have that feeling. So, either you are lying and trying to mislead, or this time you guess worse. I admire your confidence though. @any non-dessimu in the vicinity: does it make sense to you that that's what dess meant here? ^
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i think i forgot! i'm gonna say.... bucktooth, someone else, and a third person.

So the logical conclusion is that Joe is lying? Not that you might be wrong?

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i think i forgot! i'm gonna say.... bucktooth, someone else, and a third person.

my name is catte
i touch your foods
Registered: Mar 2010
From United Kingdom
Posted June 24, 2022

Honestly, last night I was thinking to myself "Is there something off about Joe? Maybe it's just OMGUS because of our disagreement". But no, I think if Lift announced a surprise deadline in an hour*, Joe is who I would vote for.
*Do not do this. ¬_¬

JoeSapphire
Consultant Liar
Registered: Jun 2011
From United Kingdom
Posted June 24, 2022

"lynch" should read "claim"? still doesn't make sense.
whut?
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I mean I've definitely forgotten in a game before. I remember you saying in the end game that I never did one and me saying "didn't I? i'm sure i did"
have you looked at babark past games?
babark: were you scum in any of thegames you played before?

JoeSapphire
Consultant Liar
Registered: Jun 2011
From United Kingdom
Posted June 24, 2022
tbf I think there's something off about me this game, too
I keep looking at my posts going "that looks scummy af what the heck are you playing at?"
I keep looking at my posts going "that looks scummy af what the heck are you playing at?"

ZFR
I love gold!
Registered: Jan 2010
From Ireland
Posted June 24, 2022


"lynch" should read "claim"? still doesn't make sense.
Sorry, I need sleep.
I meant this: if forced to claim, scum is likely to claim PR if D1, Vanilla if later Days.
As I wrote here:


(Though of course there is also always the WIFOM bit: I'll claim Vanilla because D1 Mafiosi will want to claim PR).
Vanilla is the best and safest claim later in the game. As you said, there is no counterclaim and you are not forced to provide any actions or investigative results from previous Days that could be disproven.
So Ambitionz's VT claim struck me as Townie.
(PS, thinking over it now, maybe the reason I got a teeny Town lean on Joe is because he read it the same way I did).
(off to continue reading... If anyone is here you can bump in case I need it).


I mean I've definitely forgotten in a game before. I remember you saying in the end game that I never did one and me saying "didn't I? i'm sure i did"
But Poe is serious. PoE won't lie.
I also don't like catte's 504.
Joe, if you tell me which of catte/razza is your partner, I promise to vote him/her instead toDay.

JoeSapphire
Consultant Liar
Registered: Jun 2011
From United Kingdom

ZFR
I love gold!
Registered: Jan 2010
From Ireland
Posted June 24, 2022
EBWOP. Quotes messed up above
ZFR: a) bucktooth claiming Bomb - that's another PR lynch on D1 by a scum (as opposed to vanilla lynch). I was at least right that scum would go for PR on D1 (and vanilla on later Days).
JoeSapphire: whut?
"lynch" should read "claim"? still doesn't make sense.
whut? Sorry, I need sleep.
I meant this: if forced to claim, scum is likely to claim PR if D1, Vanilla if later Days.
As I wrote here:
RWarehall: Another thing that bugs me are the people that walk away because someone claims "vanilla town". Um, you do know that the best (and practically only safe) claim a scum can make is "vanilla town". Anything else runs the risk of duplicating roles and getting called on the unlikely chance of two cops (for example). That is a bad reason to clear someone. I don't get it. To me, it's a better reason to finish them off. If you had a good enough reason to get someone to the stage they made a claim, and it's "vanilla town", finish them. If you aren't voting them for other reasons, fine. But for those using that as a reason to change their vote? Makes me wonder if they jumped on their buddy's wagon and found a contrived excuse to jump off to save their buddy.
ZFR: I see your point, but in my experience the usual D1 claim for Mafia who are about to get lynched is a PR. They got nothing to lose anyway, so if they're going down they might as well get something: force a counterclaim reveal, or get a one Day reprieve. Off the top of my head (and these are just anecdotal examples) the few times we managed to nail a scum on D1 and get them close to lynch (scene in Arstotzkan Boot Camp, Carradice in Pooka's Egyptian game, trent in Lift's Fallout), they all claimed PR (trent had a safe claim provided) and lived another Day because of it.
(Though of course there is also always the WIFOM bit: I'll claim Vanilla because D1 Mafiosi will want to claim PR).
Vanilla is the best and safest claim later in the game. As you said, there is no counterclaim and you are not forced to provide any actions or investigative results from previous Days that could be disproven.
So Ambitionz's VT claim struck me as Townie.
(PS, thinking over it now, maybe the reason I got a teeny Town lean on Joe is because he read it the same way I did).
(off to continue reading... If anyone is here you can bump in case I need it). ------
ZFR: Does anyone think lack of Joe's bragging rights was because he's Mafia. I mean I know bragging rights were on my mind from the start, and Joe usually goes along.
JoeSapphire: pshaw 'goes along'
I mean I've definitely forgotten in a game before. I remember you saying in the end game that I never did one and me saying "didn't I? i'm sure i did" nah, I'm only half serious about bragging rights. I had to remind Town!Joe to post his bragging rights.
But Poe is serious. PoE won't lie.
I also don't like catte's 504.
Joe, if you tell me which of catte/razza is your partner, I promise to vote him/her instead toDay.


"lynch" should read "claim"? still doesn't make sense.
whut?
I meant this: if forced to claim, scum is likely to claim PR if D1, Vanilla if later Days.
As I wrote here:


(Though of course there is also always the WIFOM bit: I'll claim Vanilla because D1 Mafiosi will want to claim PR).
Vanilla is the best and safest claim later in the game. As you said, there is no counterclaim and you are not forced to provide any actions or investigative results from previous Days that could be disproven.
So Ambitionz's VT claim struck me as Townie.
(PS, thinking over it now, maybe the reason I got a teeny Town lean on Joe is because he read it the same way I did).
(off to continue reading... If anyone is here you can bump in case I need it).


I mean I've definitely forgotten in a game before. I remember you saying in the end game that I never did one and me saying "didn't I? i'm sure i did"
But Poe is serious. PoE won't lie.
I also don't like catte's 504.
Joe, if you tell me which of catte/razza is your partner, I promise to vote him/her instead toDay.

detective_razza
New User
Registered: Jun 2022
From United Kingdom
Posted June 24, 2022

i mean, it could have been sarcasm, but it was speculation of buck giving away being mafia?

I am kinda tempted to take razza at face value here and say she doesn't know if bucktooth is mafia or not. What do you reckon, razza?
i just wanted to make sure i was correct in thinking that, that’s all ^^
also yeah! @dessimu i generally go by she/her pronouns! it’s good to have you here :D