yes i've been scum. with catte. and another time with ... I'm sorry but I've forgotten... It was ZFR's game with Lift & Vitek

Catte had to talk me down from a panic attack at least once. The other game I wore out ZFR's inbox flooding it with "WHY DON'T THEY VOTE ALREADY"s.

I see gogtrial got hungry and wants to eat the yummy broccoli (seriously, it is great when pressure-cooked or steamed. Never eat it raw; it itches.) but he mistakes ME for Yummy Broccoli!

He needs to get his eyes checked.

@1030
Why are you not overly concerned anymore about Lift who vote-hopped to Carradice as soon as I voted Pooka?

Why do you not suspect yourself/Buck/Joe/Yogs for voting for town 2 days in a row?

I suspect Catte because of what dessimu said, because of my game with him as the sore-armed scum team, and placed a vote. then a few hours later i was thinking... "Wait, am i once again being led by the nose without checking (ISOing) the person I'm following just because their argument sounds reasonable and I'm lazy? or is it a genuine scum-tell?
so i backed off the vote toDay until I had time to think.

I want to vote Lift or Catte but am concerned at how "easy" their wagons appear to be.

@HSL I hope you feel better soon!

@Joe where did the suspicion of Bookwyrm come from?

@Dedo WOW. Mind blown. Good job and yeah, I wouldn't have checked that.

I switched to Lift when I made the same mistake pooka had claimed to make. IIRC my thinking had been "there's no possible way this could be town!Pooka with a crazy excuse like that." then I went to post, misclicked and realized..."I ought to triple-check myself otherwise i look like a stupid hypocrite for doing the exact same thing i JUST voted someone for...
Lo and Behold! I had done the exact same thing when I was conscious of the fact that someone else had done it. So then i realized my whole argument was weak and, coupled with Lift's D1 vote hop as soon as I voted for Pooka (to make me look bad? on D1 i was sure it was because Pooka was scum but obvs that isn't correct.) I thought he was scum. If just one other town player had seen sense and voted Lift of D2 we could have gotten a claim to weigh against "I'm never gonna claim" townie.

matter of fact the reason I suspect Lift less today is because Pooka flipped town. had pooka flipped scum i would want to see Lift's flip.

Also, whatever happened to all the theories floated on D2 by certain Notable Players about how they would tie things together if Pooka flipped scum and/or town? (Think about what I just said for a minute--if Pooka flipped both scum AND town, what a game this would be!!!)
Seriously though, have they updated their thoughts to fit this New Reality, and does it differ so wildly from Yesterdays Assumed Reality as to look like Stumbling, Contrite, Oblivious, Town Souls (SCOTS) or Plotting, Intriguing, Conniving, and Treacherous Scum (PICTS)
?

Vote Count

ettac 2 - Dessimu(955), yogsloth(964)
Micro 1 - gogtrial(1018)
Lift 1 - Joe(1034)

Not voting - Lift, ettac, Cadaver, bucktooth, Bookwyrm, HSL, Micro

11 players in game. Takes 6 to lynch.

ettac is closest at L-4

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Are we talking in this game? if so about 50 posts back...if meaning the last time I played mafia I believe it was game #71.

On to the matter at hand: I do agree with Dessimu's plea to back up our lists with a vote, and to avoid the insanity of tracking peoples official vs unofficial votes, I will make mine in bold.

Vote Dessimu

Granted this is all based on just D3 feelings so far, but there has to be scum between Dessimu and Yog. Plus putting dess bottom of my list and then voting yog would just be hypocritical.

I appreciate honoring the plea. But I would like to point out that "there has to be scum between these two players" is an unreliable reason on it's own. It can be a supporting reason only. Here is where it did not work out:

> Carradice and Pooka? Both town.
> Yogsloth and Pooka? Says nothing about Yogs.
> Dess and Caradice? Says nothing about Dess.
> Gogtrial and Carradice? The greeting thing. Says nothing about Gogtrial.

If you say, there has to be scum between Dess and Yogs, what about:

> Dess and Cadaver? We bickered a lot there, I landed on catte after Cadaver asked me a question about him.
> Dess and ettac? I had nothing on catte until Cadaver asked me a question about him.
> Dess and Lift? Dess voted Lift D2, but shifted to Yogs D3 right away.

There might be more, but these stand out now. Three examples above, my flip will not give an alignment indication on neither of second player, Yogs too. If I follow your example, where I assume town!Buck is comparing unknown player pairs, what about:

> HSL and Bookwyrm? HSL may be out of game,but he left enough material to consider his alignment. He just isn't a viable lynch candidate D3 due to absence and his replacement will likely not be viable on D3 for having to catch up and provide material. Both HSL and Book sat down on Carradice early on D1 and sat there for the rest of the Day. It's kinda atypical voting. So, at least Book can be scrutinized.

I thought I can come up with more examples, but I just woke up and need to drink some shower and take a coffee. Still, I made my point. Your vote is valid, but reason alone is not. And I can not, in good conscious, let you stick to wrong target.

I want to add one tiny detail, for the sake of having facts straight. The WHY Yogsloth changed his vote. It was not because he loves me so much:
#856 - Yogs votes Lift.
#876 - Lift only says he will be out all sunday.
#956 - is next post from Lift, stating he is so busy, he might ask for a sub.
#957 - I poke Yogs, implying that voting Lift, who can not defend himself, would not be a good sportsmanship (Yogs is still voting Lift at this point)
#964 - Yogs knows himself that voting Lift at this point, even if Lift looks scummy, is not an option. Yogs makes a vote switch on catte, join me on the wagon.

I think this is important to note, because no matter the alignments of anyone, it seemed like Yogs intended to vote Lift all the way, but was unable to due to Lift's work-time-game schedule.

Questing, why Yogs chose catte as the next best candidate, is a different thing. Feel free interpret that, question that and so on.

Note #2: had I been with Yogs on Lift's train in the beginning, I too would have jumped off after #956 and very likely still landed on catte. Funny how things work out.

And you can not sensibly argue that your D1, D2 game puts you into suspicious corner.

EBWOP
"And you can not disagree that your D1, D2 game..." Maybe easier to understand.

Your wagon and vote analysis strikes me similar in technique to that of Micro's on D2:
His conclusions are not entirely clear to me though.

I was just wondering. Cadaver was on both town wagons. as was Lift.

chances that one of them is scum? well...11 players, 3-4 scum (probably) and I know my alignment (town) so thats 10 unknown players of whom 3-4 are scum. So the chance of one any of them being scum is... maybe... 30%(?)

I'm splintered mentally. Catte looks similar to his scum game, but also to his town game.
Lift is "always" scum to me so idk.
I have incredibly weak reads on anyone else as of now.

Try the Yogsloth's method, make a list of everyone, put them in order of best-worst and see what happens. Weak read is a read nonetheless.

I was meaning to say I appreciate this. And I remember you reacting to people voting you, more often when you were town than when you were scum? Not 100% certain, as to when, but this makes sense. And it just strikes me somewhat odd how you just rode off that D2 wagon on you so chill. Or too chill for usual you. Town!Carradice straight up flipped off every voter. Pooka went mad for gathering votes. You did not. And you were awfully close to lynch too. I could see scum!Lift doing this, like "if I don't move, maybe they will go away".

I'm back and catching up.

Get well soon, HSL and thanks for playing!

@all
Please continue playing while I look for a replacement.

I may need to give some time for the replacement to catch up, but unless there is an urgent need for it, this catching up will take place at Night, when there is no posting. In other words, unless I say otherwise, assume Day end is still on Friday.

Sounds like a plot for a Marvel movie. "Smurf Wars". Only in cinemas.

Vote Count

ettac 2 - Dessimu(955), yogsloth(964)
Micro 1 - gogtrial(1018)
Lift 1 - Joe(1034)
Dessimu 1 - bucktooth(1038)

Not voting - Lift, ettac, Cadaver, Bookwyrm, HSL, Micro

11 players in game. Takes 6 to lynch.

ettac is closest at L-4

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I was s bit busy yet again.

I have no idea how you were able to produce anything at all with that pain. Sounds like a serious intoxication I'd rather call an ambulance instead of playing Mafia game.

Yogs was pressed hard by Dessimu and decided to speak his mind. Although his posts looks fine I expected more. Anyone can be Mafia, that's the problem.

You mean Ninja? I don't recall anything else which does not exist in the game. All I want was to understand what happened with Dedo and there is not much else to *something blocked someone* anyway.

I don't like Gogtrial style either. For example he promised to come back to me with "proper response" in post #870 and for the 6 subsequent posts avoided addressing me directly. And I was even put in *scum team* with Book in post #963 (and before that I was in bed with Lift). Anyway I sense that Gogtrial is trying to distance from me for whatever reason (annoying player maybe with *firewall of text* protection).
However post #1030 with wagon analysis is very interesting to read. It seems that Micro is next best target for Gogtrial and appeal to all players to read Micro's post looks genuine (for any alignment though).


Yes, thank you. ZFR announced the D2 deadline in advance and Joe's hammer for only 2 and a half hours before the end is anything but *annoyingly early*. I'm not happy with Ettac's posts but I better tell it to him personally.

I can't stand some random off-topic data. I always suspect people for doing that in Mafia games only to gain some kind *humanity* points - *look at me I'm a joyful and easy-going person, don't think of me like I could be a cold blooded killer.*

Fully agree on Joe. And Book's post #898 is quite bad. He was not able to post since his next post #996 due to work, so I'd like to check on him again when he comes back.

I hope you'll recover soon enough. I don't want you to go. Lift mentioned a sub for him before and you are leaving the game now, this game is so unlucky on players.

Moving on.

When I said yogs followed you too fast, what I meant was the quick succession was suspicious, not that he was following you in the sense of "follow the leader". It's the short space of time that raised my eyebrow.

The same could be said for Micro, but the way he removed his vote made me think that he hadn't seen the other votes at first. Of course third spot on a wagon is sometimes seen as "the place the scum want to be" and I think Micro knows this, so there's an extra layer of WIFOM to the removed vote.

Ah yes, that makes a bit more sense. To argue something means to be in favour of it, at least that's how the original version read to my mind. And no, I don't disagree - it is what it is.