Posted May 22, 2020
Carradice
Orlanthi
Registered: Mar 2013
From Spain
cristigale
Yip Yip
Registered: Apr 2012
From United States
Posted May 22, 2020
Lift saying he won't share his read until he sees how Laser flips is a cop out.
Would you point me to the reads you made today? The last significant ones I remember are from D1.
Carradice
Orlanthi
Registered: Mar 2013
From Spain
Posted May 22, 2020
There is something unsettling about D-2: No one ever made any analysis of the bandwagon for Micro. So what was he taken to lunch for?
Who went to placeholder bandwagons that were doomed to go nowhere, and then abandoned them on D-2, "just because"? Talk about not keeping all eggs in the same basket.
Have you thought of the implications of the flip of each of the four bandwagons of today? It turns out that the ones who would be most revealing are those I would like less to happen. Hopefully they do not come to be.
Still. No more free lunches.
Who went to placeholder bandwagons that were doomed to go nowhere, and then abandoned them on D-2, "just because"? Talk about not keeping all eggs in the same basket.
Have you thought of the implications of the flip of each of the four bandwagons of today? It turns out that the ones who would be most revealing are those I would like less to happen. Hopefully they do not come to be.
Still. No more free lunches.
my name is catte
i touch your foods
Registered: Mar 2010
From United Kingdom
Posted May 22, 2020
cristigale
Yip Yip
Registered: Apr 2012
From United States
Posted May 22, 2020
Carradice
Orlanthi
Registered: Mar 2013
From Spain
Posted May 22, 2020
Cadaver747
Registered: Mar 2009
From Russian Federation
Posted May 22, 2020
Yes, as sentence which proves what I've told nothing more, nothing less. That's how it works, people don't quote everything in full.
But if you insist I'll give the full quote:
Carradice: Shirley has mentioned that using a shot has the risk of meeting the Bulletproof scum. A good old filling lunch does not offer that risk.
@POOKIE, you CAN save your shot for another game-day.
However, if you feel that you ABSOLUTELY must use it in the present game-day, I would suggest this:
1) Get a list of the most suspicious people. This means bandwagons by Joe Broadway. Also, a chart of suspicion like the ones you already know, if you wish.
2) With that knowledge, shooting someone who will be taken to lunch anyway does not make much sense. HOWEVER, what if you shoot someone whom you think very scummy and who does not seem to be rank up in the suspicion list?
What do you think about that? MIght such a player exist? SPF mentioned that a shot can be wasted on possible bulletproof Laser. > OK.
Lynch is stronger than a shot on bulletproof. > Yes, no one can argue with that.
Pooka *can* save the shot for another game-day. > That sentence which I criminally snipped from the middle of a post. Definitely NOT a proposition, yes.
Then you tell Pooka that if he "ABSOLUTELY must use it* toDay then here is what you should do. > I'm not a native English speaker, but usually when someone adds that part "if you absolutely have to it" sometimes it means that the other option (in our case, saving a shot) is much more preferable.
Then you provide your instructions for least favorable action (not saving a shot). I see what I see, call me crazy or Mafia, or even *lazy Mafia* (all of the sudden a severe Town Cadaver becomes a lazy Mafia). But you can't change your own words.
And I specifically mentioned that it was worrysome and it was, your reaction is a bit strong.
I have no objections with all that, we even discussed it afterwards and you stated that you are not in favor of saving a shot. All I meant is how it drew my anttention back then.
All I am doing now is exploring other possibilities, in my case a list of Laser's. And you're calling me a liar and lazy.
OK.
Carradice: Especially the very revealing #632 where we discussed exactly this issue.
>>
Hey, I do not say save it for later neither shoot now. I would not have done what Pookie did, period.
What I am trying to do, as well as Shirley Primalley, is getting the best of a bad situation. Pookie says she is the vig on Day 2. She expected to remove the odd couple. Only that, once invested, she found that she cannot.
Where do we go from there? Her plan A failed. If she is the real thing and she shoots someone who was going to be shot right away, she did all this for nothing. Not only that, she puts Town at risk of a no-lunch that is ENTIRELY AVOIDABLE. Mark these words.
So, in order to do something rational, she ought to do one of these:
1) Shoot someone who is NOT going to be taken to luch soon, if she is REALLLY conviced.
2) Hope that the lunch hits the Strong Arm. It is a lucky shot, but if that is the case, she might be protected by the Doc. It would not matter if she cannot use her shot, since the shot might be best used later in the game. But this is a LONG SHOT.
Mark again my words: I would never have done this (probably, neither would you, nor many others). This is being, a priori, damaging for Town. But if subbing and getting in Pookie’s shoes, I would probably go for 1) if such a target existed. Who knows, there is some chance of hitting the Strong Arm anyway.
However, there are other factors. Like, that we play for winning but also for fun. No one except Pookie is in her shoes right now.
What do you think about that? MIght such a player exist?
>> Yes, like I said above we discussed this matter later indeed. And I replied that I'm marking your words. I don't see your point exactly but I have no objection to what has happened already since it's a well known fact.
Carradice: Then I asked in #635 for your reason to want the shoot fired Because at the time the mod had not explained that the game would go on, and everyone believed that we would be thrown into the Action phase without a lunch. But now you do not consider that.
I do not know why are you intent on throwing shade, but I do not like it. I wasn't going to actually, but if you insist I can. The problem is that I stated facts from our past and your reaction, IF you're Town, will harm in future.
Carradice: There is a way of misquoting, and it is snipping an isolated sentence, stripping it from its context and presenting it in another context. That way, a string of words might end up being interpreted in very different ways, especially about the intention of the speaker.
I am still wating for your "doc quote..." And the explanation for your request for the Doc to do this or to do that, which was scummy as it goes.
In Mafia, I have always had a very hard stance against role discussion or fishing that might be helping scum. For all I know, the Lift has maintained such a strong stance too. That you choose precisely that matter to throw shade is both outrageous and unfair: you really did not pay attention?. I do not know if it is misinterpretation of the texts, but I do not see you asking or wondering, you go directly to the accussation, then demand things from the Doc in order to look Town. All those little things do not add up and end up feeling wrong. I did not misquoted you. I proved my statements. If you mean that by "@POOKIE, you CAN save your shot for another game-day." you meant something else fine by me, but it wasn't. I said it I was worried about that before but I would never expect such reaction to the topic we already discussed and closed. If you get my meaning.
You can't STILL WAIT for your *doc quote* because you discussed the doc role, Lith discussed the doc role. That's what I said, that's what I quoted. I don't understand what do you mean by that.
Explanation for Doc was made to Pooka when he thought that he could been blocked by a doctor and I reasoned that's it highly unlikely because: Pooka wouldn't be saved anyway, because blocking a role is bad, because Doctor would probably aim you and Lith since you discussed doctor role on D1 hoping that you're Mafia. If you need more explanation please tell me and quote the exact part so we could be on a same page.
Your explanation about role discussion stance is good and I'm not the one who thinks it's not truthful. It's an open setup and discussing the roles is okay, and the Doctor could aim you for only that, discussing his role. Nothing more, nothing less. Not throwing shades but discussing the possibilities. I don't see why it's bad all of a sudden. Your interpretation is understandable, you think I want to accuse you as Mafia. Unfortunately it's not me who is accusing you, it's you.
Thank you: Town read me before, and now I'm *lazy mafia*.
But if you insist I'll give the full quote:
@POOKIE, you CAN save your shot for another game-day.
However, if you feel that you ABSOLUTELY must use it in the present game-day, I would suggest this:
1) Get a list of the most suspicious people. This means bandwagons by Joe Broadway. Also, a chart of suspicion like the ones you already know, if you wish.
2) With that knowledge, shooting someone who will be taken to lunch anyway does not make much sense. HOWEVER, what if you shoot someone whom you think very scummy and who does not seem to be rank up in the suspicion list?
What do you think about that? MIght such a player exist?
Lynch is stronger than a shot on bulletproof. > Yes, no one can argue with that.
Pooka *can* save the shot for another game-day. > That sentence which I criminally snipped from the middle of a post. Definitely NOT a proposition, yes.
Then you tell Pooka that if he "ABSOLUTELY must use it* toDay then here is what you should do. > I'm not a native English speaker, but usually when someone adds that part "if you absolutely have to it" sometimes it means that the other option (in our case, saving a shot) is much more preferable.
Then you provide your instructions for least favorable action (not saving a shot). I see what I see, call me crazy or Mafia, or even *lazy Mafia* (all of the sudden a severe Town Cadaver becomes a lazy Mafia). But you can't change your own words.
And I specifically mentioned that it was worrysome and it was, your reaction is a bit strong.
I have no objections with all that, we even discussed it afterwards and you stated that you are not in favor of saving a shot. All I meant is how it drew my anttention back then.
All I am doing now is exploring other possibilities, in my case a list of Laser's. And you're calling me a liar and lazy.
OK.
>>
Hey, I do not say save it for later neither shoot now. I would not have done what Pookie did, period.
What I am trying to do, as well as Shirley Primalley, is getting the best of a bad situation. Pookie says she is the vig on Day 2. She expected to remove the odd couple. Only that, once invested, she found that she cannot.
Where do we go from there? Her plan A failed. If she is the real thing and she shoots someone who was going to be shot right away, she did all this for nothing. Not only that, she puts Town at risk of a no-lunch that is ENTIRELY AVOIDABLE. Mark these words.
So, in order to do something rational, she ought to do one of these:
1) Shoot someone who is NOT going to be taken to luch soon, if she is REALLLY conviced.
2) Hope that the lunch hits the Strong Arm. It is a lucky shot, but if that is the case, she might be protected by the Doc. It would not matter if she cannot use her shot, since the shot might be best used later in the game. But this is a LONG SHOT.
Mark again my words: I would never have done this (probably, neither would you, nor many others). This is being, a priori, damaging for Town. But if subbing and getting in Pookie’s shoes, I would probably go for 1) if such a target existed. Who knows, there is some chance of hitting the Strong Arm anyway.
However, there are other factors. Like, that we play for winning but also for fun. No one except Pookie is in her shoes right now.
What do you think about that? MIght such a player exist?
>>
I do not know why are you intent on throwing shade, but I do not like it.
I am still wating for your "doc quote..." And the explanation for your request for the Doc to do this or to do that, which was scummy as it goes.
In Mafia, I have always had a very hard stance against role discussion or fishing that might be helping scum. For all I know, the Lift has maintained such a strong stance too. That you choose precisely that matter to throw shade is both outrageous and unfair: you really did not pay attention?. I do not know if it is misinterpretation of the texts, but I do not see you asking or wondering, you go directly to the accussation, then demand things from the Doc in order to look Town. All those little things do not add up and end up feeling wrong.
You can't STILL WAIT for your *doc quote* because you discussed the doc role, Lith discussed the doc role. That's what I said, that's what I quoted. I don't understand what do you mean by that.
Explanation for Doc was made to Pooka when he thought that he could been blocked by a doctor and I reasoned that's it highly unlikely because: Pooka wouldn't be saved anyway, because blocking a role is bad, because Doctor would probably aim you and Lith since you discussed doctor role on D1 hoping that you're Mafia. If you need more explanation please tell me and quote the exact part so we could be on a same page.
Your explanation about role discussion stance is good and I'm not the one who thinks it's not truthful. It's an open setup and discussing the roles is okay, and the Doctor could aim you for only that, discussing his role. Nothing more, nothing less. Not throwing shades but discussing the possibilities. I don't see why it's bad all of a sudden. Your interpretation is understandable, you think I want to accuse you as Mafia. Unfortunately it's not me who is accusing you, it's you.
Thank you: Town read me before, and now I'm *lazy mafia*.
PookaMustard
モニカ。モニカだけ。
Registered: Jun 2013
From Other
Posted May 22, 2020
Who went to placeholder bandwagons that were doomed to go nowhere, and then abandoned them on D-2, "just because"? Talk about not keeping all eggs in the same basket.
Have you thought of the implications of the flip of each of the four bandwagons of today? It turns out that the ones who would be most revealing are those I would like less to happen. Hopefully they do not come to be.
Still. No more free lunches.
Surprisingly enough, all my Bad reads, save for GR, are on that wagon. Took a lot of urging for scene to hop and vote Micro. Hmm, and it appears that scene and Laser are on that same wagon together. Along with Lift.
So Tomorrow, we lynch Laser, obviously. I'm decided to offing Lift, and will finalize this decision after I eat me food. Consider this, Twilight.
cristigale
Yip Yip
Registered: Apr 2012
From United States
Posted May 22, 2020
Can you show why you thought Laser voted was without conviction?
my name is catte
i touch your foods
Registered: Mar 2010
From United Kingdom
PookaMustard
モニカ。モニカだけ。
Registered: Jun 2013
From Other
Posted May 22, 2020
No. Just no. Just because Cadaver and Lift discussed Doctor, doesn't mean another Doctor will protect them. You can't claim to know who is most likely to get doctor stuff. It is much more likely that the Doctor will go for someone they suspect to be the Cop, and yet? I won't claim that it's more likely for Mr. X and Ms. Y to be protected than Mr. Z.
Why? Oh simple. Only the doctor makes the decision of who to protect, and only s/he base the previous decision on previous knowledge. Which most likely only they know.
Carradice
Orlanthi
Registered: Mar 2013
From Spain
Posted May 22, 2020
You can keep twisting my words about Pookie and his options. You are not going to get anything out of it. The intent was clear. Before Joe's explanation, actually the scummy stance was the "fire, no matter the consequences". Your stance.
Cadaver747: You can't STILL WAIT for your *doc quote* because you discussed the doc role, Lith discussed the doc role. That's what I said, that's what I quoted. I don't understand what do you mean by that. Today, you said that Lift and I (althoug you were not sure if it was Lift and I, but nevertheless, you dropped the names) were discussing roles, that we discussed the Doc role and that, for that reason, the Doc should focus precisely on us two. (even if you had said that you were unsure about the names). Seriously? I think that has been a serious mistep for you in many ways. You are having the chance to explain or clarify, yet instead you reply with vague threats. It does not make it look any better.
Who is overreacting over "lazy mafia"...?
Who is overreacting over "lazy mafia"...?
Cadaver747
Registered: Mar 2009
From Russian Federation
Posted May 22, 2020
No. Just no. Just because Cadaver and Lift discussed Doctor, doesn't mean another Doctor will protect them. You can't claim to know who is most likely to get doctor stuff. It is much more likely that the Doctor will go for someone they suspect to be the Cop, and yet? I won't claim that it's more likely for Mr. X and Ms. Y to be protected than Mr. Z.
Why? Oh simple. Only the doctor makes the decision of who to protect, and only s/he base the previous decision on previous knowledge. Which most likely only they know.
Again no, Strongarm is alive, Doctor's protection is useless.
There were 2 players who discussed Doctor (Lith and Carradice if I'm not mistaken) wouldn't Doctor rather aim for them as possible Mafia to block their roles.
I mean why Doctor would ever want to target Day Shooter if he can't be saved (with a living Strong), if he'll be blocked and could be lynched by an angry mob (*fail attempt demonstration*)?
my name is catte
i touch your foods
Registered: Mar 2010
From United Kingdom
Carradice
Orlanthi
Registered: Mar 2013
From Spain
Posted May 22, 2020
Can you show why you thought Laser voted was without conviction?