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Posted May 22, 2020
Here are the posts that Lift indicated show his reads on other players Today:

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Lifthrasil: OK. Game is on again. It's a bother that I coulnd't be around for the end of the Day.

What have we learned since then? Scene's defense of Micro, that Laser talked about, wasn't due to Scene/Micro being scumbuddies. Since Micro wasn't scum. Scene's attempted deflection to ZFR still looks strange, though.

@Laser: you said that Scene is confirmed Town, after scum-reading him for a while. How is he confirmed?
So scene looks strange? What is the read? I can infer, but it's not clear what emphasis you place here. Is this just an observation or are you scum reading him here?

There is no post #691, I assume you meant #651:
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Cadaver747: Are you absolutely serious right now?
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Lifthrasil: Yes. Of course. If Pookina's claim is false, she is scum. A Vig usually has the concern that he might accidentally shoot Town. But having a proven scum target, there is no reason to hold back that shot. Especially since counter-claiming just would get the Vig killed in the Night. What's your reasoning?

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LASER97: Why not make this even more interesting?

Vote: LASER97

One of you can hammer me, or Pooka can finally stop wasting our time and make a decision.
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Lifthrasil: And this fits SPF's concern. So Laser most likely is the Bulletproof Scum. Self-voting is almost never a pro-Town move.
Here you think Pooka is town.

#676 is a bit longer so link to #676

You town read Pooka, scum read laser, and agree with SPF.


Am I missing something? You have a town read on Pooka, scum read on Laser, scene is strange.

How is that sharing your reads?
Posted May 22, 2020
Vote Large the Lift (Lifthrasil)

> in case he is bulletproof Mafia
Posted May 22, 2020
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LASER97: Irrelevant. Potentially clearing 5-6 players in a mass claim would make it virtually impossible for scum to win.
How would we clear 5-6 players? There are only 4 town regulars in the game.
Posted May 22, 2020
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Cadaver747: Cadaver - me, according to SPF and Carradice leaning Mafia (according to Carradice *lazy Mafia* even)
Sorry pal, it seems that prodded you out of this world. Your posts of today merely bring you to the SO-SO plateau, together with Scenes. Not such a bad place to be, but there are better.
Posted May 22, 2020
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Lifthrasil: Then be prepared to feel stupid Tomorrow.
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Pookina: I'll probably not do a disruptive play like this again. I am already feeling a little stupid. Being granted the vigilante role was something of a burden on my shoulder, I think. It's sort of...I only get to use it once, and with my track record, I'd be lucky to have used it. That plus my previous misconception around the role, and I messed it up. No way around that.

But, I need to feel stupid. If I don't now, then when? That's what I call learning.

Kill Lifthrasil

Come the morning, I'll insta-vote Laser, if I am alive. If I am not, I expect to see him lynched - and will be disappoint if I don't see it happen either way.
Guess we wait on Joe now...
Posted May 22, 2020
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Carradice: Sorry pal, it seems that prodded you out of this world. Your posts of today merely bring you to the SO-SO plateau, together with Scenes. Not such a bad place to be, but there are better.
By *you own standards* mind you. Apologies NOT accepted. I'm okay if someone accused me of being Mafia especially for something serious, but lazy Mafia? No, not on my watch. And you practically called me a liar calling my quotes as *misquoted*. I don't care about your place.
Posted May 22, 2020
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SirPrimalform: How would we clear 5-6 players? There are only 4 town regulars in the game.
Joe poorly designed a 12p setup with 3 town power roles, and one of them is a cop. Even if mafia fake claimed, tpwn would still win using logical process of elimination.

There's a reason why the vast majority of 12p open setups only have 2 town PRs. I warned Joe of this before the game started.
Posted May 22, 2020
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cristigale: Guess we wait on Joe now...
I can't remember, do we get acknowledgement of a bulletfroofed/blocked kill?
Posted May 22, 2020
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cristigale: Guess we wait on Joe now...
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SirPrimalform: I can't remember, do we get acknowledgement of a bulletfroofed/blocked kill?
I don't know. If Joe doesn't kill Lift in his next post, I assume it means there was a block. (Or Pooka is scum...I can't go there).
Posted May 22, 2020
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LASER97: Joe poorly designed a 12p setup with 3 town power roles, and one of them is a cop. Even if mafia fake claimed, tpwn would still win using logical process of elimination.

There's a reason why the vast majority of 12p open setups only have 2 town PRs. I warned Joe of this before the game started.
Ok, well let's say we mass claim. Everyone apart from the town power roles will claim "regular". Then what? How do you choose which of the 7 regular claims is scum? As long as the strongarm is alive the doc can't protect anyone.

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cristigale: I don't know. If Joe doesn't kill Lift in his next post, I assume it means there was a block. (Or Pooka is scum...I can't go there).
That's the point. If there's no acknowledgement then Pooka isn't actually verified. Of course that would mean there's a different real vig out there which at this point seems fairly unlikely.

What do you make of LASER's "let's break the setup open" plan? I don't see it working at this stage.
Posted May 22, 2020
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cristigale: Guess we wait on Joe now...
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SirPrimalform: I can't remember, do we get acknowledgement of a bulletfroofed/blocked kill?
Probably not likely. That's why I put my vote. If Pooka is fake I expect another shooting. If nothing happens between a shot and Joe's next post and we lynch Lith and he'll flip Town or even Mafia, but not bulletproof, I might have a problem with Miss Pookina.

So we wait...
Posted May 22, 2020
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Carradice: Sorry pal, it seems that prodded you out of this world. Your posts of today merely bring you to the SO-SO plateau, together with Scenes. Not such a bad place to be, but there are better.
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Cadaver747: By *you own standards* mind you. Apologies NOT accepted. I'm okay if someone accused me of being Mafia especially for something serious, but lazy Mafia? No, not on my watch. And you practically called me a liar calling my quotes as *misquoted*. I don't care about your place.
Yes, that is my current read on you. Are you offended because other players have reads on you?

*Sigh* Talk about overreactions?

Are you pulling my leg or what? I guess I will find after the game ends (or maybe before, with a little bit of luck?).

In case there is any doubt, right now will NOT vote for the Lift, nor for Shirley Primalley.
Posted May 22, 2020
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Carradice: Yes, that is my current read on you. Are you offended because other players have reads on you?

*Sigh* Talk about overreactions?

Are you pulling my leg or what? I guess I will find after the game ends (or maybe before, with a little bit of luck?).

In case there is any doubt, right now will NOT vote for the Lift, nor for Shirley Primalley.
I'm offended because you called me *a liar* (not literally but it's was the same for me) and because you labeled me as *lazy*. Yes, I'm impulsive, that's my problem. Not pulling your leg or anything. Let's agree that I'm a bad player and you are a good player and not discuss it again. Yes, you'll find out with or without any luck anyway.

I don't get what's the problem with double checking by placing a vote on Lith before Joe's next post but it's not my call, and probably it's not my game either.

I don't understand your remark about SPF >>> AT ALL.
But feel free to not reply to me anything.
Posted May 22, 2020
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LASER97: Joe poorly designed a 12p setup with 3 town power roles, and one of them is a cop. Even if mafia fake claimed, tpwn would still win using logical process of elimination.

There's a reason why the vast majority of 12p open setups only have 2 town PRs. I warned Joe of this before the game started.
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SirPrimalform: Ok, well let's say we mass claim. Everyone apart from the town power roles will claim "regular". Then what? How do you choose which of the 7 regular claims is scum? As long as the strongarm is alive the doc can't protect anyone.

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cristigale: I don't know. If Joe doesn't kill Lift in his next post, I assume it means there was a block. (Or Pooka is scum...I can't go there).
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SirPrimalform: That's the point. If there's no acknowledgement then Pooka isn't actually verified. Of course that would mean there's a different real vig out there which at this point seems fairly unlikely.

What do you make of LASER's "let's break the setup open" plan? I don't see it working at this stage.
If Pooka is not the real Vig, shouldn't the real Vig shoot him?

I haven't thought about Laser's plan to know if it makes sense. Who all have claimed vanilla?
Posted May 22, 2020
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SirPrimalform: Ok, well let's say we mass claim. Everyone apart from the town power roles will claim "regular". Then what? How do you choose which of the 7 regular claims is scum? As long as the strongarm is alive the doc can't protect anyone.
Ideally the cop would be able to narrow it down to six with his N1 investigation. Town can afford three mislynches before losing. By analyzing night kills, the odds are stacked 6/1 in favor of town.

Seriously, do the math. Joe designed a breakable setup.
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