Posted December 18, 2014
dedoporno
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adaliabooks
"Vell, Zaphod's just zis guy, you know?"
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Posted December 18, 2014
While I agree with the possibility, I refer you to Day 1 last game to show how effective a claim it is for scum...
Also:
HijacK claims to know who Twilight visited, which would presumably be Robb. But if Robb was scum, that wouldn't really tell us anything. He could just say Twilight tried to investigate him, but someone else NK'd him. Therefore the claim would be unnecessary.
Plus I (and dedo) had come to the conclusion this was really the most logical option anyway (before his claim) so I do tend to believe him.
I'd like to think I at least inspired him to include the role... although it sounds like's had it all set up for ages, so probably not.
Also:
HijacK claims to know who Twilight visited, which would presumably be Robb. But if Robb was scum, that wouldn't really tell us anything. He could just say Twilight tried to investigate him, but someone else NK'd him. Therefore the claim would be unnecessary.
Plus I (and dedo) had come to the conclusion this was really the most logical option anyway (before his claim) so I do tend to believe him.
I'd like to think I at least inspired him to include the role... although it sounds like's had it all set up for ages, so probably not.
cristigale
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adaliabooks
"Vell, Zaphod's just zis guy, you know?"
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Posted December 18, 2014
cristigale: So unlike a paranoid cop, a paranoid gun owner is aware of his condition? I want to make sure I'm clear on this.
Yes. I think dedo explained earlier, there are two types of Paranoid. One is a modifier which makes a cop's investigations all return guilty results, regardless of target's alignment.
I think in the case of the Paranoid Gun Owner (which I think might just be the role name anyway) the Paranoid means you don't have a choice about using your power (although Robb's description doesn't entirely match that case).
Robbeasy
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Posted December 18, 2014
I get a choice - each night I can choose to stand guard, or not.
The lack of choice is who I kill - its indiscriminate. Thats why its Paranoid - if I choose to stand guard, anyone coming near me gets it.
@Lifthrasil - think it through -would what I have revealed really be a scum play? By claiming it I have put myself basically out for lynch. If you really think I'm 'buying time' then lynch me today!
I'm still of the idea that either Yog or CSPVG is lying. Unfortunately , its all largely WIFOM - theres a case for every possible scenario.
The lack of choice is who I kill - its indiscriminate. Thats why its Paranoid - if I choose to stand guard, anyone coming near me gets it.
@Lifthrasil - think it through -would what I have revealed really be a scum play? By claiming it I have put myself basically out for lynch. If you really think I'm 'buying time' then lynch me today!
I'm still of the idea that either Yog or CSPVG is lying. Unfortunately , its all largely WIFOM - theres a case for every possible scenario.
dedoporno
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HypersomniacLive
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Posted December 19, 2014
I tried to catch up with everything, but since I had yet another difficult day, I'll have to do a reread.
For now, a few thoughts, mostly regarding TwilightBard's death.
I'm puzzled by the description of his death scene. The piece of rope indicates that they were captured (it didn't tie itself to his leg, did it now?), but the weapon used to kill him was a rifle, which, if I'm not mistaken, a mid-to-long range weapon. It's also not clear if they were fist tied then shot or the other way around.
So, I'm wondering - what if the tying and carving go together and were performed by a different person than the shooting? If TwilightBard visited his killer (Robbeasy by their claim) on his own free will, then the tying couldn't have happened before the shooting. If Robbeasy tells the truth, then someone else found TwilightBard after he was shot, and decided to use the body to send a message; they carved him, then tied him to the vehicle used to drag him back to town, and then dropped him in the town square "neatly cutting" the end of the rope that was tied to the vehicle.
On the other hand, Robbeasy's claim fits the "STAY AWAY" message, he even said so in his claim-post (emphasis mine):
A couple more initial thoughts:
- If yogsloth's telling the truth about being blocked, then someone didn't want CSPVG to be investigated. Would a townie have any reasons not to want CSPVG be investigated?
- Interesting that while everyone seems to be over TwilightBard's dead body (though no one is specifically mentioned), Sage's in the dinner. Why was she in the dinner and not in the town square? Does certain players being mentioned by name mean something?
- Not sure what the way DarkoD13 was killed may be telling. What I do find interesting is that with two claimed Town Cops, one gets blocked (or so they say) and the other is left in peace to go about their business (or so they say), and the NK is a third person, a not confirmed till their death townie.
As I said, I need to do a reread, but not sure if I do that tonight.
For now, a few thoughts, mostly regarding TwilightBard's death.
I'm puzzled by the description of his death scene. The piece of rope indicates that they were captured (it didn't tie itself to his leg, did it now?), but the weapon used to kill him was a rifle, which, if I'm not mistaken, a mid-to-long range weapon. It's also not clear if they were fist tied then shot or the other way around.
So, I'm wondering - what if the tying and carving go together and were performed by a different person than the shooting? If TwilightBard visited his killer (Robbeasy by their claim) on his own free will, then the tying couldn't have happened before the shooting. If Robbeasy tells the truth, then someone else found TwilightBard after he was shot, and decided to use the body to send a message; they carved him, then tied him to the vehicle used to drag him back to town, and then dropped him in the town square "neatly cutting" the end of the rope that was tied to the vehicle.
On the other hand, Robbeasy's claim fits the "STAY AWAY" message, he even said so in his claim-post (emphasis mine):
Robbeasy: [...] You youngsters, you just stay away from my land. I'm happy being here, I'm happy being part of the community, but I like being on my own.
Anyone comes near me, I'll shoot you dead, ya hear! [...]
Of course he could have just copied it from flub's post to make his claim more believable. Anyone comes near me, I'll shoot you dead, ya hear! [...]
A couple more initial thoughts:
- If yogsloth's telling the truth about being blocked, then someone didn't want CSPVG to be investigated. Would a townie have any reasons not to want CSPVG be investigated?
- Interesting that while everyone seems to be over TwilightBard's dead body (though no one is specifically mentioned), Sage's in the dinner. Why was she in the dinner and not in the town square? Does certain players being mentioned by name mean something?
- Not sure what the way DarkoD13 was killed may be telling. What I do find interesting is that with two claimed Town Cops, one gets blocked (or so they say) and the other is left in peace to go about their business (or so they say), and the NK is a third person, a not confirmed till their death townie.
As I said, I need to do a reread, but not sure if I do that tonight.
Sage103082
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Posted December 19, 2014
I honestly have no idea why Flub picked me. I went and check how we were numbered in the opening post - that was not it. I did not put the first vote on RW or in the game itself so its not that. The only thing I can think is payback for me talking his ears off the last game.
flubbucket
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yogsloth
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Posted December 19, 2014
Hi everyone-
Sorry - migraine KO'd me most of the day. It happens.
I'm caught up. More interesting developments, although of course still waiting for HijacK to confirm who TB visited. Assuming he will confirm.
If I were flub, I would have made adalia the PGO just for the lulz. :)
Interesting link to game 12 - I don't necessarily agree with everything there, but it's certainly a good alternative perspective on the current situation. Thanks for that, flub.
I'm still in a holding pattern, logic-wise, but Robb is correct that he's essentially a policy lynch candidate.
Sorry - migraine KO'd me most of the day. It happens.
I'm caught up. More interesting developments, although of course still waiting for HijacK to confirm who TB visited. Assuming he will confirm.
If I were flub, I would have made adalia the PGO just for the lulz. :)
Interesting link to game 12 - I don't necessarily agree with everything there, but it's certainly a good alternative perspective on the current situation. Thanks for that, flub.
I'm still in a holding pattern, logic-wise, but Robb is correct that he's essentially a policy lynch candidate.
Robbeasy
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Posted December 19, 2014
HypersomniacLive: snip..
I'm puzzled by the description of his death scene. The piece of rope indicates that they were captured (it didn't tie itself to his leg, did it now?), but the weapon used to kill him was a rifle, which, if I'm not mistaken, a mid-to-long range weapon. It's also not clear if they were fist tied then shot or the other way around.
...snip....
On the other hand, Robbeasy's claim fits the "STAY AWAY" message, he even said so in his claim-post (emphasis mine):
...snip
As I've stated - I assume Twilight was my doing, but I'm not 100% sure - I was given no name, and no flavour except that I shot them to death. The carving, the rope etc - there's no mention of this in my flavour. I'm puzzled by the description of his death scene. The piece of rope indicates that they were captured (it didn't tie itself to his leg, did it now?), but the weapon used to kill him was a rifle, which, if I'm not mistaken, a mid-to-long range weapon. It's also not clear if they were fist tied then shot or the other way around.
...snip....
On the other hand, Robbeasy's claim fits the "STAY AWAY" message, he even said so in his claim-post (emphasis mine):
Robbeasy: [...] You youngsters, you just stay away from my land. I'm happy being here, I'm happy being part of the community, but I like being on my own.
Anyone comes near me, I'll shoot you dead, ya hear! [...]
HypersomniacLive: Of course he could have just copied it from flub's post to make his claim more believable. Anyone comes near me, I'll shoot you dead, ya hear! [...]
...snip
The bit you quote above is just me adding my own flavour to my role.
@Dedoporno - it says I have three shots - so I presume that if I stand guard and no shots are fired, I still have that shot.
dedoporno
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Posted December 19, 2014
HypersomniacLive: For now, a few thoughts, mostly regarding TwilightBard's death.
I'm puzzled by the description of his death scene. The piece of rope indicates that they were captured (it didn't tie itself to his leg, did it now?), but the weapon used to kill him was a rifle, which, if I'm not mistaken, a mid-to-long range weapon. It's also not clear if they were fist tied then shot or the other way around.
So, I'm wondering - what if the tying and carving go together and were performed by a different person than the shooting? If TwilightBard visited his killer (Robbeasy by their claim) on his own free will, then the tying couldn't have happened before the shooting. If Robbeasy tells the truth, then someone else found TwilightBard after he was shot, and decided to use the body to send a message; they carved him, then tied him to the vehicle used to drag him back to town, and then dropped him in the town square "neatly cutting" the end of the rope that was tied to the vehicle.
On the other hand, Robbeasy's claim fits the "STAY AWAY" message, he even said so in his claim-post (emphasis mine):
Of course he could have just copied it from flub's post to make his claim more believable.
I'm more inclined to believe Robbeasy, since this was my suspicion before he made the claim. Of course, books also thought of this, it's only natural that someone else also would and possibly use it to their advantage, but a counter claim would be disastrous. I'm pretty sure this wasn't mafia NK since the surrounding circumstances are very different and don't make that much sense in this case. I'm puzzled by the description of his death scene. The piece of rope indicates that they were captured (it didn't tie itself to his leg, did it now?), but the weapon used to kill him was a rifle, which, if I'm not mistaken, a mid-to-long range weapon. It's also not clear if they were fist tied then shot or the other way around.
So, I'm wondering - what if the tying and carving go together and were performed by a different person than the shooting? If TwilightBard visited his killer (Robbeasy by their claim) on his own free will, then the tying couldn't have happened before the shooting. If Robbeasy tells the truth, then someone else found TwilightBard after he was shot, and decided to use the body to send a message; they carved him, then tied him to the vehicle used to drag him back to town, and then dropped him in the town square "neatly cutting" the end of the rope that was tied to the vehicle.
On the other hand, Robbeasy's claim fits the "STAY AWAY" message, he even said so in his claim-post (emphasis mine):
Of course he could have just copied it from flub's post to make his claim more believable.
Keep in mind I was also there, not only Sage.
adaliabooks
"Vell, Zaphod's just zis guy, you know?"
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Posted December 19, 2014
HypersomniacLive: So, I'm wondering - what if the tying and carving go together and were performed by a different person than the shooting? If TwilightBard visited his killer (Robbeasy by their claim) on his own free will, then the tying couldn't have happened before the shooting. If Robbeasy tells the truth, then someone else found TwilightBard after he was shot, and decided to use the body to send a message; they carved him, then tied him to the vehicle used to drag him back to town, and then dropped him in the town square "neatly cutting" the end of the rope that was tied to the vehicle.
I think the important thing to remember is that no one would have known Twilight would die when submitting night actions, so if there was a second action what would it have been? Some kind of message passing? I suppose he could have been NK'd and hit by Robb, but while we have had one person hit by two NKs in a previous game I find it unlikely it has happened again. HypersomniacLive: - Not sure what the way DarkoD13 was killed may be telling. What I do find interesting is that with two claimed Town Cops, one gets blocked (or so they say) and the other is left in peace to go about their business (or so they say), and the NK is a third person, a not confirmed till their death townie.
I have a few theories on that. The scum may have expected one or both the cops to be protected, so instead of possibly wasting the NK they hit another townie. Whether they have a role cop and knew Darko's role or whether they just got lucky is another question. Alternatively yogs may have been jailled (blocked and protected) and CSPVG not targeted because he is scum. Or yogs may not have used his power because he is scum.
One of them could even have been targeted by a NK and saved, if we still think there might be another anti town faction.
dedoporno
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HypersomniacLive
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