...Linux gamers?

Well it sounded like to me you were arguing that that standalone installers keep games installable and usable offline even if you use Galaxy, hence why they should stay available.

I was simply pointing out that still can be done without or without the installers being downloadble in Galaxy. And for a lot of games simple compression isn't enough due to the registry or other needed redist. A built in Galaxy feature could bundle all of that together in a Galaxy free installer which could handle all of that though.

True, but those who play Gwent have Galaxy installed are far more likley to buy other games by having the store front and center than non Galaxy users. This will create more casual GOG users which I would argue make up the majority of GOG users. I would bet that very few GOG users have libraries that number in the hundreds.

GOG's goal is to expand like Steam did. Get Galaxy on as many computers as possible, default Galaxy to start automatically (most people will not change this default settings) and push games that require or are vastly intwined to get those impulse buyers who will use Galaxy to get a better experience.

as most gOg users don't see Steam client as DRM, but are rather fully aware that the DRM component of Steamworks is CEG.

Or in other words - who told you what most gOg users see or do not see... especially since most gOg users don't in fact even use these forums? Yes, a vocal minority here see Steam as DRM, but then again, that same vocal minority now has "DRM = everything I don't like!!!!"

It sure did, at least in the long run when Win7 support ends and WINE can wrap DX11 completely in Vulkan which is currently being worked on and quite promising.

And I know many people feel that way, which is your right. But that doesn't mean we should blissfully ingnore that fact that those users are becoming less and less of GOG's target demographic.

As I said I don't think people have anything to worry about right now or anytime soon for that matter...

They did literally the exact same thing to a wishlist entry I created "No regional censorship on gog EVER!"

http://www.gog.com/wishlist/site/no_regional_censorship_on_gog_ever

Note how this now redirects to another wishlist entry "Uncensored versions of games". The two wished were merged after my entry had garnered over 2000 votes and juuuust before gog implemented wholesale region locks for Germany and Australia.

And so it begins, indeed...

If you're not a big fan of Galaxy, you better backup your library quickly.

No game truly needs any entry in the registry, only redist and the likes, which sruprise, are bundled within steam games, something which can be done gog side too. Again, this is not the issue.
I was talking about not being forced to first install games only for compressing/making installers for them laters.

Are you serious? Do you think people are THAT stupid, to be gulled by a mere store shown on their faces?
Don't get me wrong, I'm perefctly fine with galaxy, and I always stated that galaxy will help with gaining new consumers, but not for THAT reason.

Not sure if you are joking or serious. If you think that most GAMERS don't even touch the settings of either steam or galaxy, get a console.
I know that there are many casual gamers out there, but to think that the majority of pc gamers don't even check feature is pure BS.


Didn't know about WINE is going to be able to wrap DX11 through vulkan, what a nice info <3.

Not a linux user myself, but I was always inspired by linux for many reasons, and I still believe that each game company should focus on both OS with the same regards.

I'm quite sure it was an accident. Contact Support or re-create the wish and share it here.

Or create another wish named "Make Galaxy mandatory" and see if it gets marked as "in progress".

That no exactly true, but that's neither here nor there. I'm not going argue over it and GOG already bundles redist just like Steam does.

Anyway, that was simply one idea. They have also talked about including install scripts way back when Galaxy was in alpha or early beta. They could in theory automate that process to include compressed zip's on the site with install scripts that are automatically compressed from Galaxy servers.

My understanding is that while the installers are automated to a degree, it still requires a bit of human intervention. I would imagine GOG would like to move away from that as they get more popular and more games release here. If they don't they will never be in a postion where they can release more than a few games in any given week without spending vastly more resources (in manpower, etc) which would cut into GOG profits. While GOG makes quite a bit of revenue, it's profits could be far better. What impact that would have on what the site will host for users is pure speculation.

Marketing has shown that yes, people are that "stupid". Impulse buyers due to sales and other stuff are very real, and having something like Galaxy that shows those sales when you start the client to play a game will move overall sales far better than a user having to launch a web browser and going to gog.com.

Technical users will, but most computer users are casual and these users do not change the default settings often. Most gamers are also casual. Hence why very few games, even on Steam, reach obsurd levels of users. The vast majority of Steam users only have a handful of games and usually only play one or two which is games like DOTA, CSGO, or PUBG.

I don't have the strength to talk about the other points, and I don't want to waste my time further, so I'll just point to the last one.

As far casual gamers can go, be them on steam and whatnot (and we know already how many and which level they can reach in their Not-Know-to department), the majority of pc gamaers aren't that ignorant.

Sure, they increased over the time due to the PC becoming a more suited platform for every genre and purpose, and going digital only has its benefit, but don't truly think that they form the majority, gaming wise. If this was the reason, there would be no place for high end hardware and whatnot.

Still, even if all of this was true, and if gog would enforce galaxy, this would have huge repercussions: galaxy is far from perfect, and its missing too many features, to truly rivals steam's client.

I just hope some blue will just notice and REPLY to this thread, before anything goes out of hands and people start to jump to conclusions (and I can't blame them for that, if there are no answer from the staff).

Well, in my case it's hope rather than belief, but yeah.

Agreed, which is why I said I don't think it will happen anytime soon. I would imagine though GOG would want to automate as much as possible to increase revenue and profit and to better compete with Steam. So unless they automate that entire process of packaging installers and hosting them on the site (which I think could be doable if it was all built in house) then I don't see them sticking with installers long term because of the resources required.

The problem is, non Galaxy users will either dwindle in numbers or stagnate as Galaxy becomes to defacto way of playing GOG games. This is inevitable. Around 700k people played the Witcher 3 via Galaxy according to GOG. A large percentage are also playing Gwent via Galaxy. A percetage of those users will likey become casual GOG users. This will continue to increase as the years go on and as more high profile CD Projekt games release.

At that point, investing in a way to automate the entire standalone installer process becomes redundent for a small percentage of overall GOG users. It would not be worth the time or resources.

For me GOG's main selling point is game preservation, and a happy by product of that is games being DRM Free. I imagine that is true for many people here. As long as GOG positions Galaxy in a way that games downloaded via Galaxy remain preservable and usable free of Galaxy, I imagine the amount of blowback would be small and managable because at the end of the day you still have a preservable DRM Free game wich is still far more than what can be said about all Steam games.

Please don't. While it would be an interesting experiment, GOG would later point to this wish and say 'But the community wanted it!'

Back to the disappeared wish:
Best case: GOG marked it as completed because they decided, that Galaxy WILL be optional forever.
Worst case: someone in the staff deleted it as a subtle warning, that GOG plans to make Galaxy mandatory.

I'm going to side on the "accidental screwup" side.