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devoras: I doubt you'll realistically find anyone who thinks that racism is a bad thing, you're arguing against a straw man. The problem is 'what' is considered racist. There's a "fucked up" new definition that some people hold such that you cannot be racist against white people. But any form of discrimination against any race, based on their race, is racism.

Honestly we should go back to where we were 20 years ago when we had conquered racism, forget about what anyone's race is again and go back to treating people as individuals. Just make sure anyone coming into our countries are integrating into our culture and compatible with it, and stop worrying about the color of their skin.
I am not posting a strawman because I am not arguing with anyone. I am just stating my opinion. If nobody has a problem with that, then there is no strawman, and there is no issue.
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tinyE: WHAT!?
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wpegg: Yeah.

EDIT: In his defence, I do believe he meant the negative there.
Yes sorry I fixed the typo. I had originally written the line different and forgot to change part of it.
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initialpresence: I understand your fear and I understand your anger towards someone expressing opinions such as I am. Every day, we are bombarded with propaganda in the mainstream media telling us "nationalism leads to the gas chamber", "whites should be ashamed of their history" and so on. And yes it is true many platforms would ban me for daring to bring up the realities we all face today, what does that say about the world we live? If you want to know who your oppressor is just look for who can rarely, if ever be criticised, look for what can not be questioned or debated. I won't reply to all the misapprehensions expressed by the post I am replying to. People more eloquent than myself are doing that every day.

I'm not going to post links right now because last time I did, the thread I was posting on was shut down. I shall however encourage people to do their own research and again mention Red Ice - I am in no way affiliated with them and I don't know the people personally. They are far more courageous than myself and millions of others who share their sentiments and much of their content is no more than common sense. I suggest you take a look at their website redice dot tv or their Youtube channel - search "Red Ice". The couple who run it, Lana Locktef and Henrick Palmgren along with a few other people produce high quality content on a shoestring budget and are simply trying to get an important message out there, they cover a huge range of topics and have reached their current world view, like myself, only after years of questioning and observation. Like so many of us, they have been red-pilled by life. You will not find anything nasty like swastikas or other such nonsense emblazoned across their site. Just common sense debate and questioning of the status quo. It will also make you realise you are not alone, far from it.

As far as this thread serving as a platform for myself, I have a limited time I spend on this site. I was inspired to start this thread because other threads were getting shut down for getting derailed but it seems to happen when things take a turn to the political. Let it serve as a platform for all who wish to engage in civil political debate here on the Gog forums, whatever their beliefs and opinions and allow the rest of the forum to get on with discussing gaming and other matters. Again, whatever your opinions are, I would encourage everyone to stay civil and don't let others provoke you.

If you are looking for a more detailed, perhaps more intellectual approach I suggest you search "Greg Johnson, counter-currents, white nationalist manifesto" I know. It sounds scary. But it's not. Believe me.
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wpegg: snip. Peddle your bullshit sites snip
Once again, I understand the fear and anger so many people experience. We are all subjected to the mainstream media's hostility towards us and literally from birth are told we are bad people - remember the fear and panic you felt when you first saw "Is your baby racist?" on the cover of a magazine, which one was it? It is overwhelming for most people and rather than living in fear of retaliation for speaking truth from those who have hi-jacked the control system, they tell themselves that everything is OK and fearfully say what they believe is the correct thing. I wish I could dispel that terrible feeling from those who still suffer from it. I know how it feels to admit one was wrong. It takes a lot of courage to look in the mirror and say "I was tricked" "What a fool I've been" "I was wrong". But ultimately it is easier than living a lie. I encourage all reading this to move forward to that day.

My "bullsh**" sites? Unfortunately they're not my sites. But as for those sites being "bullsh**". Red Ice is run by people with many years experience in media and entertainment. Both Henrick Palmgren and Lana Locktef are presentable, intelligent and articulate people who could easily have had lucrative careers in the mainstream media. Dr. Greg Johnson Ph.D, the editor-in-chief of counter-currents dot com gave up the possibility of tenure as a professor at an east coast tertiary institution to begin his long thankless work. Scottish Youtuber Colin Robertson, known to most as "Millennial Woes" was actually forced to flee his homeland of Scotland after he was doxxed by British journalists because of so called "hate speech" - see his Youtube channel for the truth. Dr. Kevin Macdonald Ph.D was shunned by his colleagues at CSU, Long Beach when he published "Culture of Critique" - I believe Amazon have not banned it ... yet, so it may be easiest to get a copy while you still can.

They and others have not chosen an easy path. They do what they believe is right because they are people of profound integrity. They work on tiny budgets and rely on donations from readers, listeners and viewers. Many of them have been de-platformed from social media and payment systems, had their websites hacked or shut down and their computers and other devices hacked and stolen. Even "keyboard warriors" such as myself face online bullying, abuse and constant, tedious banning across forums and social media. All these people could have easily ignored the threat globalists pose to all of us, but they do what they do, myself included, not from hate, but out of love.

And not just love of their own loved ones and kin, but for all peoples. The spectre of globalism threatens us all, except for a small group who stand to benefit. One need only look to what is being done to the Islamic world to realise this is not just an attack on white people.

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tinyE: Wait a minute, if we do decide to abolish multiculturalism, who get's America?

The Native Americans had it first; seems only fair they get dibs.

Pack up your shit IP; you're going back to Europe.
You may be right. Perhaps they should get dibs. I'm certainly not opposed to compensating them if that's what they wish. I have a tremendous empathy for Native Americans and first peoples throughout the world. In North, Central and South America, around the islands of the Pacific and in Australia and New Zealand and elsewhere they find themselves an often small minority in their own lands. Part of the reason so many people are flocking to fast growing and increasingly popular movements such as ethno-nationalism, identitarianism and so on is not out of racial hatred but because they do not wish to become minorities in their own nations. May I suggest you watch Lauren Southern's documentary about South Africa - "Farmlands", you will find it on her Youtube channel. BTW, have you seen what is happening in Europe lately? Which is, of course, a direct result of the terrible abuse being inflicted on the Islamic peoples of the Middle East by the globalists.
Post edited September 01, 2018 by initialpresence
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wpegg: I say again to be clear - I understand that the view that "racism is a bad thing" is subjective and others can hold other opinions. I cannot, and will not, try to argue them any more. They can and do state their opinion, and I can and will state mine:

Racism is a bad thing. If you hold racist views, you hold poorly reasoned, poorly researched, callous, possibly even cruel views. I believe those views are "fucked up".
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devoras: I doubt you'll realistically find anyone who thinks that racism isn't a bad thing, you're arguing against a straw man. The problem is 'what' is considered racist. There's a "fucked up" new definition that some people hold such that you cannot be racist against white people. But any form of discrimination against any race, based on their race, is racism.

Honestly we should go back to where we were 20 years ago when we had conquered racism, forget about what anyone's race is again and go back to treating people as individuals. Just make sure anyone coming into our countries are integrating into our culture and compatible with it, and stop worrying about the color of their skin.
Your idealism is very noble and admirable and once upon a time I shared that same feeling. Unfortunately reality is different from idealism. Demanding immigrants abandon their own ethnicity and "become like us", I believe, is a cruel and unfair expectation. Not meaning any disrespect but it is also more complex than just the so called "color of their skin". White people in North America and around the world have largely lost much of their identity as a group. In Europe, especially Eastern Europe, because of the deep roots they have in that land, they have managed to hold on to their various ethnic identities a bit better, but the erosion is happening there too.

Do we really want to do this to other ethnic groups? Let us stand up for oppressed people, not force them into a consumerist, globalist straight-jacket. Keeping the diversity of peoples of the world alive, for me, is a truly good and enriching cause. If people wish to integrate voluntarily, that's great. Unfortunately forced-integration, however hopeful and idealistic it's appeal may be, (and believe me, I understand where you're coming from) confuses identity and destroys diversity of all peoples involved. Even with authorities throughout the west pushing forced-integration, people still tend to self-segregate.

The hope we all share with so many other people is to preserve, and help grow the diverse identities of all people on our planet, giving the peoples of the world opportunity to live peacefully as who they truly are, only then can we have world peace and prosperity for everyone. Understanding this is one of those light-bulb moments when you realise globalism and universalism can only benefit a very small and very financially and politically influential group of people. Would it not be beneficial to almost all people if we could find alternatives to these ideologies?

And if you've read this far, congratulations!
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Post edited September 01, 2018 by initialpresence
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tinyE:
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initialpresence:
Do me a favor Adolf, don't post to me.
Post edited September 01, 2018 by tinyE
Ok, I watched "Red Ice" a bit. Looks like "Black Lives Matter" movement only for white nations.
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devoras: I doubt you'll realistically find anyone who thinks that racism isn't a bad thing,
They definitely exist, it's just that people don't usually admit to it.

There are definitely white supremacist groups in the US that are very much proud of the fact that they're racist.

I like to think that's a fringe minority, but I'm not really sure that anybody knows for sure, as most people realize that being seen as racist has negative consequences in terms of employment and being integrated into society.
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devoras: I doubt you'll realistically find anyone who thinks that racism isn't a bad thing,
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hedwards: They definitely exist, it's just that people don't usually admit to it.

There are definitely white supremacist groups in the US that are very much proud of the fact that they're racist.

I like to think that's a fringe minority, but I'm not really sure that anybody knows for sure, as most people realize that being seen as racist has negative consequences in terms of employment and being integrated into society.
I think, you didn't quite understood devoras correctly. What he meant was that most people consider racism to be bad. But their definition of racism differs significantly to fit their world view.

Like, for example there are black people who hate whites and are in favor of white geoncide. But they don't consider themselves racist - they sincirely believe that white people deserve retribution "for their sins".

The same thing is with "Red Ice" folks. They believe that black people can't integrate and accept "western culture", but they don't consider that to be racism.
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hedwards: They definitely exist, it's just that people don't usually admit to it.

There are definitely white supremacist groups in the US that are very much proud of the fact that they're racist.

I like to think that's a fringe minority, but I'm not really sure that anybody knows for sure, as most people realize that being seen as racist has negative consequences in terms of employment and being integrated into society.
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LootHunter: I think, you didn't quite understood devoras correctly. What he meant was that most people consider racism to be bad. But their definition of racism differs significantly to fit their world view.

Like, for example there are black people who hate whites and are in favor of white geoncide. But they don't consider themselves racist - they sincirely believe that white people deserve retribution "for their sins".

The same thing is with "Red Ice" folks. They believe that black people can't integrate and accept "western culture", but they don't consider that to be racism.
The point is that there are people who hold the same definition of racism that the rest of us do, it's just that it's a point of pride. I haven't ever see them in person because around here we don't associate with people that racist, but they'd go around with their red shoe laces denoting their pride at being racist.

As I said though, they aren't particularly common, but not so rare that they can be completely ignored either.
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initialpresence: Demanding immigrants abandon their own ethnicity and "become like us", I believe, is a cruel and unfair expectation.
No it isn't. They don't have to abandon their ethnicity, but they do need to embrace our values if they expect to live in our countries. At a basic minimum all that really means is respecting the right of the individual to think and reason things out for themselves, most of our other freedoms stem out from that. For one example, an immigrant that is intolerant to having their religion questioned is not one we want to have coming in; everything can and should be questioned. I feel like part of the immigration process should be to see how they respond to rational inquiry about some of their beliefs and if they're capable of discussing them or if they become hostile, and how hostile. If they become hostile they're almost certainly just a future problem that we don't need.

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devoras: I doubt you'll realistically find anyone who thinks that racism isn't a bad thing,
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hedwards: They definitely exist, it's just that people don't usually admit to it.

There are definitely white supremacist groups in the US that are very much proud of the fact that they're racist.

I like to think that's a fringe minority, but I'm not really sure that anybody knows for sure, as most people realize that being seen as racist has negative consequences in terms of employment and being integrated into society.
I assume they're a very small minority. There are loud cries of racism everywhere it seems these days, but in most cases they are lying, seemingly intentionally. The other day I saw a news report where a reporter claimed that opposing antifa was 'racist', which is ridiculous. Actual racism is a very small problem, we just have dishonest people everywhere trying to use it as a weapon so it pops up everywhere now.
Post edited September 01, 2018 by devoras
Seeing as this is the general "political stuff" thread, I got to ask this question: Am I the only one who distinctly remembers a time when those very same news outlets that now shed crocodile tears and sing praises to McCain condemned him during the 2008 elections? Maybe it was different elsewhere, but the general consensous among German media at the time was "Obama is the messiah who will end racism and bring peace and prosperity. McCain is an evil neocon warmonger who will carry on Bush jr.'s legacy."

Am I imagining things or do these outlets assume their readers have the memory of a goldfish?
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fronzelneekburm:
I can't remember the 2008 elections that well (apart from the annoying Obama cult), but I've seen Americans make the same statement...for most of the last 30 years or so the media loved McCain (all that "maverick", conservative who dares to criticize other conservatives nonsense), but during the election campaign in 2008 that changed...only to revert back to the previous mode once McCain had lost.
Anyway, I couldn't stand Obama, but I'm still glad McCain lost in 2008. That demented warmonger might well have started a world war that would have killed all of us. Good riddance to him.
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morolf: Is that a game where you dismember Trump? Kind of gross tbh. I was thinking more of pro-Trump games.
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LootHunter:
lol. that was entertaining, thx for bringing it to my attention!
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fronzelneekburm: Am I imagining things or do these outlets assume their readers have the memory of a goldfish?
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/john-mccain-death-legacy-trump-us-senator-vietnam-war-a8511441.html