Posted January 18, 2019
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Gede
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Posted January 18, 2019
clarry: How much control does the grocer have over your peas after you've made a soup out of them?
(...)
Games and software are kinda different.
Yes, they are! When you buy something, it is yours! But you don't buy software. Software is usually licensed. (...)
Games and software are kinda different.
"But it says 'buy' in the game store!" you say. True. "Buy" makes you believe you will own the game. They would make less money if the button was correctly labelled. Also, "licensing" carries with it the notion that the other end of the deal needs to provide support and updates and so on. They don't want that, they want the best of both worlds. As you noticed, they usually get them.
Post edited January 18, 2019 by Gede
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Posted January 19, 2019
Yeah, you're getting me. But it's not just that software is licensed.. it's that a mere part of it is licensed, a binary artefact that you can only do so much with. They are, in essence, telling everyone (without actually telling anyone) that no, you can't fix your game. No, we won't fix it for you either. It has bugs, all software has bugs, suck it you lowly gamer dog. Just give us yer money and be happy with whatever you get. Game won't run tomorrow? Too bad, haha, you should've known better. At least we got yer monies. *EvilGrin*
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Posted January 19, 2019
Gede: Yes, they are! When you buy something, it is yours! But you don't buy software. Software is usually licensed.
clarry: Yeah, you're getting me. But it's not just that software is licensed.. it's that a mere part of it is licensed, a binary artefact that you can only do so much with. They are, in essence, telling everyone (without actually telling anyone) that no, you can't fix your game. No, we won't fix it for you either. It has bugs, all software has bugs, suck it you lowly gamer dog. Just give us yer money and be happy with whatever you get. Game won't run tomorrow? Too bad, haha, you should've known better. At least we got yer monies. *EvilGrin* You were only able to just listen to music, watch movies or TV shows in the past. At some point they discovered hard copies for you to "own". You owned the actual vinyl, Beta, cassette, tape, CD, DVD, but never the actual content. If you didn't like something on it, you couldn't "fix" it. It was available for you to experience it if you liked it over and over again.
Why are you entitled to the software?
You want to experience or be entertained by what they made, they need to put food on the table. At which point are you entitled to anything concerning this?
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Posted January 19, 2019
Why are you entitled to the software?
You want to experience or be entertained by what they made, they need to put food on the table. At which point are you entitled to anything concerning this?
Eh? So let's say I want to experience the game. But it has bugs in it and doesn't run properly or at all. Whoops. Fuck me, think the devs. Nobody is entitled to have the game fixed, think the devs. They already got the money. You want to experience or be entertained by what they made, they need to put food on the table. At which point are you entitled to anything concerning this?
That's why software is so different at least as compared to non-DRM'd music or movies. They don't bit rot at all the same (and you can make bit perfect copies, do format conversions, etc.).
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Posted January 19, 2019
Why are you entitled to the software?
You want to experience or be entertained by what they made, they need to put food on the table. At which point are you entitled to anything concerning this?
That's why software is so different at least as compared to non-DRM'd music or movies. They don't bit rot at all the same (and you can make bit perfect copies, do format conversions, etc.).
Post edited January 19, 2019 by TheDudeLebowski
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Posted January 19, 2019
No, that's not true. That's impossible!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl-KGn9dNK0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl-KGn9dNK0
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Posted January 19, 2019
TheDudeLebowski: So your problem all along was the bugs? Read user/reviewer reviews before-hand. Or support indies. Avoid developers known for testing insufficiently. Whar's with the drama? "They're gonna kill the poor woman."
This may come off as a bit of a tangent, but here are my problems with reviews (games and otherwise). First, if everyone waited for the reviews, no sales would be made. Then, well, you can never know if a review was made by the cousin of one of the developers.
Not every setup is the same and not everyone enjoys the same things. Yeah, we all despise bugs but what about game balance? Or good music?
With non-software items by the time you get enough good reviews and you can measure its reliability, the model is out of production and replace by another model. With software you have there to deal with support. How are updates being handled? Are they coming to GOG? Will an update break something?
We are already used to navigate this world with its pitfalls that we often times forget that things could be better.
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Posted January 19, 2019
Op is about 1,000 times correct.
Post edited January 19, 2019 by swsoboleski89