Posted April 07, 2015

Cavalary
RIP GoodOldGOG:DRMfree,one price,goodies,community
Registered: May 2011
From Romania

HypersomniacLive
The Reluctant Voter
Registered: Sep 2011
From Vatican City
Posted April 07, 2015

...it's probably just in my head. ;)
As for the new spin of this also being related to devs - I guess this means that if a poor country has no games to offer or no games GOG's interested in bringing here, no adjustment to the realities of the market will happen.
Of course as we all know, the #1 condition is for that country's market to be interesting enough profit-wise.
At least they showed a bit of decency to remove that mocking "in progress" banner from the wishlist entry.
Post edited April 07, 2015 by HypersomniacLive

PaterAlf
Cookie Monster
Registered: Apr 2012
From Christmas Island
Posted April 07, 2015
Whatever that should mean for a whole country. I think we can all agree that the economical realities in Moscow are not the same ones than in rural Russia and that the economical realities in Munich are not the same ones than in Leipzig. There are rich and poor regions in every country, an economical reality as a whole nation doesn't really exist.

Matruchus
Don't ignore Tux
Registered: Jun 2011
From Slovenia
Posted April 07, 2015


Post edited April 07, 2015 by Matruchus

Cavalary
RIP GoodOldGOG:DRMfree,one price,goodies,community
Registered: May 2011
From Romania
Posted April 07, 2015
high rated
It was explained in a way that doesn't stand up to scrutiny...
Also, this explanation about expanding but with consequences simply adds up to "We're doing something good for us and you, existing customers, are paying the price. Tough luck.". I mean, if a developer (or, more exactly, publisher) from a non-English-speaking region would only bring games to GOG if they won't have to deal with an English storefront, what does that say about the availability of the game in a language that anyone who used GOG until very recently knows, that being English? And if a potential customer requires such a storefront to use GOG, it obviously means they haven't used it before and won't be affected by any of the consequences brought by such a change, but everyone who has used it so far and put you in the position to even consider expanding in the first place will. Same with multiple currencies and opening the regional pricing floodgates at that point and who knows what else will follow.
As for not moving in the direction of DRM or locking anything to Galaxy, yeah, right, you said the same about regional pricing. In fact, as I've stated several times, I actually brought up the matter in a discussion with support in December 2013 and was told it'll never happen, it's one of your core principles and it won't be discarded except perhaps for CD Projekt games, which, being your parent company, will need to be distributed regardless of terms, as it was for a while with Witcher 2 too. And two months later, "good news".
Plus, you know, "getting back to our roots"? We'll strive for flat prices for as many games as possible and all that? The (until now) "in progress" for the ban regional pricing wishlist entry? So no reason to believe anything, I'm sorry. Really sorry, because I believed in what you could do to the industry and cared for this place. And in some ways still care, or I would have poofed out of here long ago and treat it the same way I treat Steam or Origin or Battle.Net or whatever other such services, as in ignore it the vast majority of the time and occasionally throw a snappish barb if reminded that they exist, but no longer believe it's truly any different or even cares to change anything anymore.
Nope, not just you...
Also, this explanation about expanding but with consequences simply adds up to "We're doing something good for us and you, existing customers, are paying the price. Tough luck.". I mean, if a developer (or, more exactly, publisher) from a non-English-speaking region would only bring games to GOG if they won't have to deal with an English storefront, what does that say about the availability of the game in a language that anyone who used GOG until very recently knows, that being English? And if a potential customer requires such a storefront to use GOG, it obviously means they haven't used it before and won't be affected by any of the consequences brought by such a change, but everyone who has used it so far and put you in the position to even consider expanding in the first place will. Same with multiple currencies and opening the regional pricing floodgates at that point and who knows what else will follow.
As for not moving in the direction of DRM or locking anything to Galaxy, yeah, right, you said the same about regional pricing. In fact, as I've stated several times, I actually brought up the matter in a discussion with support in December 2013 and was told it'll never happen, it's one of your core principles and it won't be discarded except perhaps for CD Projekt games, which, being your parent company, will need to be distributed regardless of terms, as it was for a while with Witcher 2 too. And two months later, "good news".
Plus, you know, "getting back to our roots"? We'll strive for flat prices for as many games as possible and all that? The (until now) "in progress" for the ban regional pricing wishlist entry? So no reason to believe anything, I'm sorry. Really sorry, because I believed in what you could do to the industry and cared for this place. And in some ways still care, or I would have poofed out of here long ago and treat it the same way I treat Steam or Origin or Battle.Net or whatever other such services, as in ignore it the vast majority of the time and occasionally throw a snappish barb if reminded that they exist, but no longer believe it's truly any different or even cares to change anything anymore.
Nope, not just you...
Post edited April 07, 2015 by Cavalary

stg83
Homo Ludens
Registered: Nov 2013
From Pakistan
Posted April 07, 2015
high rated

Just in case you wondering, introducing these price changes won't affect the way gifting works today on GOG.com (except with The Witcher 3).

After repeatedly being dishonest to loyal customers for still caring about flat worldwide pricing after the "Getting back to our roots thread" which was PR speak to appease the masses while still doing everything that GOG intended in the first place. Now you honestly expect us to take your word that Galaxy won't affect customers experiences here on the website with the big mess the unbundling has already left in its wake and not to mention the constant problems with the website. Trust has to be earned and unfortunately recent actions by GOG like messing around with user wishlists to make themselves look good has had a really negative impact on it.
Post edited April 07, 2015 by stg83

Urnoev
Das Auge Innos'
Registered: Oct 2013
From Germany
Posted April 07, 2015
Very funny.
I'm so glad the reality of the market is finally acknowledged. Well, DRM is a reality for many stores as well, I guess it'll come sooner or later.
Oh, and I can't wait for all the new games that will come because of this change. I had so much fun with the massive amount of "AA+" (what the hell?) games here.
I'm so glad the reality of the market is finally acknowledged. Well, DRM is a reality for many stores as well, I guess it'll come sooner or later.
Oh, and I can't wait for all the new games that will come because of this change. I had so much fun with the massive amount of "AA+" (what the hell?) games here.

Cavalary
RIP GoodOldGOG:DRMfree,one price,goodies,community
Registered: May 2011
From Romania
Posted April 07, 2015
high rated
Actually, this "realities of the market" thing speaks volumes in itself.
GOG, 2008 - Feb 2014: "We're different! If you dislike digital distribution because of the practices of the other players on this market, give us a chance to show you how it can be done differently."
GOG, Feb 2014 - present: "We're here too! If you like digital distribution and enjoy the practices of the other players on this market, just, um, don't forget we're around as well, mkay?"
GOG, 2008 - Feb 2014: "We're different! If you dislike digital distribution because of the practices of the other players on this market, give us a chance to show you how it can be done differently."
GOG, Feb 2014 - present: "We're here too! If you like digital distribution and enjoy the practices of the other players on this market, just, um, don't forget we're around as well, mkay?"

IAmSinistar
Queso de Espacio
Registered: May 2013
From United States
Posted April 07, 2015
high rated

For Now.™
Again and again we have been assured that a certain course of action would never be taken, right up until the moment it was. As others have pointed out, this promise is already broken by The Witcher 3, and you know what they say about sauce for the goose.
I'm not abandoning GOG, but the actions of the captain have me checking the lifeboats.

BillyMaysFan59
gone (but still playing his games)
Registered: Nov 2013
From United States
Posted April 07, 2015
Yeah....they used to be different, now they're turning into just another game retailer.
I'm afraid I'll be checking the lifeboats too.....
I'm afraid I'll be checking the lifeboats too.....
Post edited April 07, 2015 by BillyMaysFan59

Cyraxpt
ZzZzZz
Registered: Feb 2011
From Portugal

JaqFrost
Registered: Nov 2011
From Vietnam
Posted April 07, 2015
I feel like we're only a handful of people who care about this... it's always the same handful voicing concern in the pertinent threads and that maybe GOG would like us to actually get into those lifeboats and be the hell off their cruise ship. We're ruining the quiet enjoyment of the forums -- they probably don't want newbies to be faced with posts about how customers feel willfully misled by the management, but we're not numerous enough for them to really care beyond swatting at the gnat.
Post edited April 07, 2015 by JaqFrost

IAmSinistar
Queso de Espacio
Registered: May 2013
From United States
Posted April 07, 2015


mrkgnao
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HCZVCTO
Registered: Apr 2009
From United States
Posted April 07, 2015

Games that are regionally priced only in RU/UA/UZ and flat priced everywhere else (at the moment 842 games):
http://www.an-ovel.com/cgi-bin/magog.cgi?ver=440&scp=gdspur&dsp=ipgfsorlcmbaxyzXhDFGH&ord=&flt=prp~1~prn~aubrcadechczrorsgbnoseplcn~&opt=
Plus
Games that are flat-priced everywhere (at the moment 64 games, of which 14 are free and 3 upcoming):
http://www.an-ovel.com/cgi-bin/magog.cgi?ver=440&scp=gdspu&dsp=ipgfsorlcmbaxyzXhDFGH&ord=&flt=prp~0~&opt=
Equals
The two lists combined (at the moment 906 games, of which 14 are free and 3 upcoming):
http://www.an-ovel.com/cgi-bin/magog.cgi?ver=440&scp=gdspu&dsp=ipgfsorlcmbaxyzXhDFGH&ord=&flt=prn~aubrcadechczrorsgbnoseplcn~&opt=
EDIT: Just noticed that Cavalary has already posted this. Thanks, Cavalary.
Post edited April 07, 2015 by mrkgnao

Cavalary
RIP GoodOldGOG:DRMfree,one price,goodies,community
Registered: May 2011
From Romania
Posted April 07, 2015

Games that are regionally priced only in RU/UA/UZ and flat priced everywhere else (at the moment 842 games):
http://www.an-ovel.com/cgi-bin/magog.cgi?ver=440&scp=gdspur&dsp=ipgfsorlcmbaxyzXhDFGH&ord=&flt=prp~1~prn~aubrcadechczrorsgbnoseplcn~&opt=
Plus
Games that are flat-priced everywhere (at the moment 64 games, of which 14 are free and 3 upcoming):
http://www.an-ovel.com/cgi-bin/magog.cgi?ver=440&scp=gdspu&dsp=ipgfsorlcmbaxyzXhDFGH&ord=&flt=prp~0~&opt=
EDIT: clarified the second link


It's a numbers game for them. Which actually just enforces the change in mentality and goals for them, because it used to be about something other than just the bottom line before. Which also meant they needed us, that vocal minority that truly cared and believed in what they were trying to do, to get the word out. Now that they no longer follow that model, they don't even need that anymore, leaving the matter to regular PR and marketing, which they can afford due to the growth, and changes meant to make them stand with the other big names on the market.