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Kristian: I know that, but that is not what I am interested in.
Easy enough.
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JaqFrost: Is it just me or does Ciris always sound slightly condescending? You know, the passive-aggressive kind who will always put a smiley face at the end just so they can say they were only speaking tongue-in-cheek.
...it's probably just in my head. ;)
Make that two heads. ;-)

As for the new spin of this also being related to devs - I guess this means that if a poor country has no games to offer or no games GOG's interested in bringing here, no adjustment to the realities of the market will happen.
Of course as we all know, the #1 condition is for that country's market to be interesting enough profit-wise.


At least they showed a bit of decency to remove that mocking "in progress" banner from the wishlist entry.
Post edited April 07, 2015 by HypersomniacLive
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Matruchus: At least some countries are getting regional pricing adjusted to their economical realities.
Whatever that should mean for a whole country. I think we can all agree that the economical realities in Moscow are not the same ones than in rural Russia and that the economical realities in Munich are not the same ones than in Leipzig. There are rich and poor regions in every country, an economical reality as a whole nation doesn't really exist.
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Matruchus: At least some countries are getting regional pricing adjusted to their economical realities.
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PaterAlf: Whatever that should mean for a whole country. I think we can all agree that the economical realities in Moscow are not the same ones than in rural Russia and that the economical realities in Munich are not the same ones than in Leipzig. There are rich and poor regions in every country, an economical reality as a whole nation doesn't really exist.
Well we can definitely agree on that. Im just comparing average income per country which might not be representative since its always corrupted by small number of people with very high income but its still the only economical termin that can be compared.
Post edited April 07, 2015 by Matruchus
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Ciris:
It was explained in a way that doesn't stand up to scrutiny...
Also, this explanation about expanding but with consequences simply adds up to "We're doing something good for us and you, existing customers, are paying the price. Tough luck.". I mean, if a developer (or, more exactly, publisher) from a non-English-speaking region would only bring games to GOG if they won't have to deal with an English storefront, what does that say about the availability of the game in a language that anyone who used GOG until very recently knows, that being English? And if a potential customer requires such a storefront to use GOG, it obviously means they haven't used it before and won't be affected by any of the consequences brought by such a change, but everyone who has used it so far and put you in the position to even consider expanding in the first place will. Same with multiple currencies and opening the regional pricing floodgates at that point and who knows what else will follow.

As for not moving in the direction of DRM or locking anything to Galaxy, yeah, right, you said the same about regional pricing. In fact, as I've stated several times, I actually brought up the matter in a discussion with support in December 2013 and was told it'll never happen, it's one of your core principles and it won't be discarded except perhaps for CD Projekt games, which, being your parent company, will need to be distributed regardless of terms, as it was for a while with Witcher 2 too. And two months later, "good news".
Plus, you know, "getting back to our roots"? We'll strive for flat prices for as many games as possible and all that? The (until now) "in progress" for the ban regional pricing wishlist entry? So no reason to believe anything, I'm sorry. Really sorry, because I believed in what you could do to the industry and cared for this place. And in some ways still care, or I would have poofed out of here long ago and treat it the same way I treat Steam or Origin or Battle.Net or whatever other such services, as in ignore it the vast majority of the time and occasionally throw a snappish barb if reminded that they exist, but no longer believe it's truly any different or even cares to change anything anymore.
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JaqFrost: Is it just me or does Ciris always sound slightly condescending? You know, the passive-aggressive kind who will always put a smiley face at the end just so they can say they were only speaking tongue-in-cheek.
...it's probably just in my head. ;)
Nope, not just you...
Post edited April 07, 2015 by Cavalary
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Ciris: To save you clicking time, here's the fragment:

Just in case you wondering, introducing these price changes won't affect the way gifting works today on GOG.com (except with The Witcher 3).
FTFY. This question has been asked and ignored before. So why haven't you mentioned The Witcher 3 gifting restriction in the Good News™ announcement post and can you really guarantee that the same won't happen for games by other publishers when you already have this gift lock system in place for your own game?

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Ciris: We're not moving in the direction of DRM. We're not going to stop making games available on the site that will be available on Galaxy. We're being 100% open about the price changes and not covering anything up, like some conspiracy theorists may believe, so please, do your best not to panic and simply ask ;)
We have been asking but you guys are only cherry picking questions to answer in the thread that you linked. You're seriously going to say "100% open about the price changes" with a straight face having admitted that lower prices in Russia and other former USSR territories were first being set over a year ago. If it wasn't for this thread and folks like IAmSinistar as well as mrgknao we wouldn't know about the special discount prices for Russian/CiS territories until your open announcement a few days ago.

After repeatedly being dishonest to loyal customers for still caring about flat worldwide pricing after the "Getting back to our roots thread" which was PR speak to appease the masses while still doing everything that GOG intended in the first place. Now you honestly expect us to take your word that Galaxy won't affect customers experiences here on the website with the big mess the unbundling has already left in its wake and not to mention the constant problems with the website. Trust has to be earned and unfortunately recent actions by GOG like messing around with user wishlists to make themselves look good has had a really negative impact on it.
Post edited April 07, 2015 by stg83
Very funny.

I'm so glad the reality of the market is finally acknowledged. Well, DRM is a reality for many stores as well, I guess it'll come sooner or later.
Oh, and I can't wait for all the new games that will come because of this change. I had so much fun with the massive amount of "AA+" (what the hell?) games here.
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Actually, this "realities of the market" thing speaks volumes in itself.

GOG, 2008 - Feb 2014: "We're different! If you dislike digital distribution because of the practices of the other players on this market, give us a chance to show you how it can be done differently."
GOG, Feb 2014 - present: "We're here too! If you like digital distribution and enjoy the practices of the other players on this market, just, um, don't forget we're around as well, mkay?"
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Ciris: Just in case you wondering, introducing these price changes won't affect the way gifting works today on GOG.com.
You left off the now-crucial GOG qualifier:

For Now.™

Again and again we have been assured that a certain course of action would never be taken, right up until the moment it was. As others have pointed out, this promise is already broken by The Witcher 3, and you know what they say about sauce for the goose.

I'm not abandoning GOG, but the actions of the captain have me checking the lifeboats.
Yeah....they used to be different, now they're turning into just another game retailer.

I'm afraid I'll be checking the lifeboats too.....
Post edited April 07, 2015 by BillyMaysFan59
I'm curious, kind of offtopic but what's the price difference between the EU vs US version of The Witcher 3 (edit: pc version that is)? I ask this because i was checking the US PSN and The Witcher 3 had a discount for pre orders (60$ - 7$) while in Europe, if i remember correctly, it's 62€, when i said this to my friend he said it was because the US version is published by WB while the EU is by BNamco.
Post edited April 07, 2015 by Cyraxpt
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IAmSinistar: I'm not abandoning GOG, but the actions of the captain have me checking the lifeboats.
I feel like we're only a handful of people who care about this... it's always the same handful voicing concern in the pertinent threads and that maybe GOG would like us to actually get into those lifeboats and be the hell off their cruise ship. We're ruining the quiet enjoyment of the forums -- they probably don't want newbies to be faced with posts about how customers feel willfully misled by the management, but we're not numerous enough for them to really care beyond swatting at the gnat.
Post edited April 07, 2015 by JaqFrost
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JaqFrost: I feel like we're only a handful of people who care about this... it's always the same handful voicing concern in the pertinent threads and that maybe GOG would like us to actually get into those lifeboats and be the hell off their cruise ship. We're ruining the quiet enjoyment of the forums -- they probably don't want newbies to be faced with posts about how customers feel willfully misled by the management, but we're not numerous enough for them to really care beyond swatting at the gnat.
You may be correct. I just posted something which touches on this in another thread. Clearly we are a small but vocal cadre of people who are passionate about GOG. The majority of their users are likely basic purchasers, many of whom are unaware the forums even exist. I don't doubt that they'd be willing to take the miniscule financial hit of losing us, if it would make their lives easier. Even if that would also eviscerate the forums for a time.
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Kristian: Matruchus, you misunderstood my request. That is a list of games with the same price everywhere on the planet. What I am asking about is a list of games with the same price everywhere except Russia and the CIS countries.
I believe this is the list you asked for.

Games that are regionally priced only in RU/UA/UZ and flat priced everywhere else (at the moment 842 games):
http://www.an-ovel.com/cgi-bin/magog.cgi?ver=440&scp=gdspur&dsp=ipgfsorlcmbaxyzXhDFGH&ord=&flt=prp~1~prn~aubrcadechczrorsgbnoseplcn~&opt=

Plus
Games that are flat-priced everywhere (at the moment 64 games, of which 14 are free and 3 upcoming):
http://www.an-ovel.com/cgi-bin/magog.cgi?ver=440&scp=gdspu&dsp=ipgfsorlcmbaxyzXhDFGH&ord=&flt=prp~0~&opt=

Equals
The two lists combined (at the moment 906 games, of which 14 are free and 3 upcoming):
http://www.an-ovel.com/cgi-bin/magog.cgi?ver=440&scp=gdspu&dsp=ipgfsorlcmbaxyzXhDFGH&ord=&flt=prn~aubrcadechczrorsgbnoseplcn~&opt=

EDIT: Just noticed that Cavalary has already posted this. Thanks, Cavalary.
Post edited April 07, 2015 by mrkgnao
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mrkgnao: I believe this is the list you asked for.

Games that are regionally priced only in RU/UA/UZ and flat priced everywhere else (at the moment 842 games):
http://www.an-ovel.com/cgi-bin/magog.cgi?ver=440&scp=gdspur&dsp=ipgfsorlcmbaxyzXhDFGH&ord=&flt=prp~1~prn~aubrcadechczrorsgbnoseplcn~&opt=

Plus
Games that are flat-priced everywhere (at the moment 64 games, of which 14 are free and 3 upcoming):
http://www.an-ovel.com/cgi-bin/magog.cgi?ver=440&scp=gdspu&dsp=ipgfsorlcmbaxyzXhDFGH&ord=&flt=prp~0~&opt=

EDIT: clarified the second link
Or like that. What I posted above put these two together.
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JaqFrost: I feel like we're only a handful of people who care about this... it's always the same handful voicing concern in the pertinent threads and that maybe GOG would like us to actually get into those lifeboats and be the hell off their cruise ship. We're ruining the quiet enjoyment of the forums -- they probably don't want newbies to be faced with posts about how customers feel willfully misled by the management, but we're not numerous enough for them to really care beyond swatting at the gnat.
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IAmSinistar: You may be correct. I just posted something which touches on this in another thread. Clearly we are a small but vocal cadre of people who are passionate about GOG. The majority of their users are likely basic purchasers, many of whom are unaware the forums even exist. I don't doubt that they'd be willing to take the miniscule financial hit of losing us, if it would make their lives easier. Even if that would also eviscerate the forums for a time.
Sadly, that... ^^
It's a numbers game for them. Which actually just enforces the change in mentality and goals for them, because it used to be about something other than just the bottom line before. Which also meant they needed us, that vocal minority that truly cared and believed in what they were trying to do, to get the word out. Now that they no longer follow that model, they don't even need that anymore, leaving the matter to regular PR and marketing, which they can afford due to the growth, and changes meant to make them stand with the other big names on the market.