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This is probably a dumb question, but how does one set MaGog to display prices in something other than USD?
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mrkgnao: So they're regionally priced only if you pay in RUR, not in USD? Lovely.
RUB has fallen sharply in the last couple of days and probably GOG didn't had time to update the exchange rate. They are supposed to be flat priced imho.
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JaqFrost: This is probably a dumb question, but how does one set MaGog to display prices in something other than USD?
You can't. MaGog only monitors USD prices. I am still debating with myself whether to have it monitor other currencies, for it is a huge overhead.
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mrkgnao: So they're regionally priced only if you pay in RUR, not in USD? Lovely.
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blotunga: RUB has fallen sharply in the last couple of days and probably GOG didn't had time to update the exchange rate. They are supposed to be flat priced imho.
I was under the impression that Starmaker was saying that the exceptional exchange rate was unique to the "Forgotten Realms The Archives". If it's for all games, then I take back my comment.
Post edited August 21, 2015 by mrkgnao
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mrkgnao: I was under the impression that Starmaker was saying that the exceptional exchange rate was unique to the "Forgotten Realms The Archives". If it's for all games, then I take back my comment.
No, it's for all games, but even Russians over at the regional forum keep wondering about the discount.
edit: and they've been wondering for like a month now.
Post edited August 21, 2015 by Starmaker
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mrkgnao: I was under the impression that Starmaker was saying that the exceptional exchange rate was unique to the "Forgotten Realms The Archives". If it's for all games, then I take back my comment.
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Starmaker: No, it's for all games, but even Russians over at the regional forum keep wondering about the discount.
edit: and they've been wondering for like a month now.
In that case, I'd simply attribute it to GOG's general level of benign incompetence.
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Starmaker: No, it's for all games, but even Russians over at the regional forum keep wondering about the discount.
edit: and they've been wondering for like a month now.
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mrkgnao: In that case, I'd simply attribute it to GOG's general level of benign incompetence.
Okay, so the FR games actually are flat-priced, and it's just the exchange rate that is off at the moment? Or there actually is a loophole where you pay less in rubles all the time?

What a snarled mess, either way.
To those who discuss flat prices in Russia, I never wish to anyone to live for way under 100$ a month (which is what remains after you pay all taxes and payment for apartments), if you don't live in Moscow/Spb (then you might have somewhat more than 100$ left).

Inquiries on Russian forum are caused by fear, as corruption in our land keeps reaching new infinite heights, so people wonder if they need to buy everything they might want asap, before prices become quite... unaffordable.
Post edited August 21, 2015 by Sarisio
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Sarisio: To those who discuss flat prices in Russia, I never wish to anyone to live for way under 100$ a month (which is what remains after you pay all taxes and payment for apartments), if you don't live in Moscow/Spb (then you might have somewhat more than 100$ left).

Inquiries on Russian forum are caused by fear, as corruption in our land keeps reaching new infinite heights, so people wonder if they need to buy everything they might want asap, before prices become quite... unaffordable.
And again, Russia's hardly the only place where people have to deal with that. In a good part of the world it's worse. I mean, just to name the obvious because the movie industry (their own, not the Western one, I mean) thrives by adjusting prices, see India and Nigeria. So people from there can buy creative content, and I recall a post from someone from India saying he can find games in retail stores for a third or a quarter of the price of the electronic version, so pretty much what Russia gets for said electronic versions, but the discount isn't extended to them as well. And that's a huge potential market, don't think that needs to be said.

So, again, not a matter of poverty, much of the world is worse off, but a matter of special treatment.
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Cavalary: So, again, not a matter of poverty, much of the world is worse off, but a matter of special treatment.
You never know when you might be on the other end of this. Most of the economic numbers in Russia are inflated (or outright fake) and kept in bubble by heavily overpopulated Moscow. You are free to come and try live somewhere outside Moscow, SPB, Novosibirsk. Paying higher rent and taxes than your income will quickly change your mind. Utmost poverty are covering our lands, while government is playing war with Crimea to wash some more millions of $.

Thus I advice to think before writing without any real empyrical evidence of what is happening in our land. Discussing special treatment in such cases is always a very bad tone.
Post edited August 21, 2015 by Sarisio
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Sarisio: Thus I advice to think before writing without any real empyrical evidence of what is happening in our land. Discussing special treatment in such cases is always a very bad tone.
No one is disputing that things are bad in parts of your country. What we are disputing is the idea that your country alone deserve exceptional treatment because of those conditions. There are many nations where economic circumstances are as bad, or even worse. You are taking a narrow view if you think the rest of the world is uniformly better off than you and your countryfolk.

One of the objections here in the GOG community to the Russian Discount is that it is perceived by some to be an appeasement meant to counter the high rate of software piracy in that country. Whether this is accurate or not, it engenders angry feelings that your country is, in essence, being rewarded for bad behaviour. This becomes further galling when the price is jacked up for other countries, such as many of the nations of Europe, because they are treated with the same blanket assumption that they are wealthier on average than other people. These kinds of gross appellations ignore the reality on the ground and make things only more divisive.
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IAmSinistar: No one is disputing that things are bad in parts of your country. What we are disputing is the idea that your country alone deserve exceptional treatment because of those conditions. There are many nations where economic circumstances are as bad, or even worse. You are taking a narrow view if you think the rest of the world is uniformly better off than you and your countryfolk.
Might be. Putting attention to other countries (e.g., Greece) and that they could use some special rates could work. However, currently it seems that some people rather see true flat prices for everyone rather than occasional special pricing for some land which is in deep crisis.

Envy is bad thing, Just like all such threads. There is really, really, really nothing to feel envy about.
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Sarisio: Might be. Putting attention to other countries (e.g., Greece) and that they could use some special rates could work. However, currently it seems that some people rather see true flat prices for everyone rather than occasional special pricing for some land which is in deep crisis.

Envy is bad thing, Just like all such threads. There is really, really, really nothing to feel envy about.
For myself it's not envy but a desire for equity. I don't object to local pricing when it is done sensibly. But in this case it is not.
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IAmSinistar: For myself it's not envy but a desire for equity. I don't object to local pricing when it is done sensibly. But in this case it is not.
Such approach often ends like in "Animal Farm" - "all animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others". Don't fight against something which might hurt you back eventually. If you ever knew what is poverty, you'd never write such a thing, and you'd have different view on fairness and "equity".
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Sarisio: Such approach often ends like in "Animal Farm" - "all animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others". Don't fight against something which might hurt you back eventually. If you ever knew what is poverty, you'd never write such a thing, and you'd have different view on fairness and "equity".
You know nothing about me, so kindly refrain from projecting your own prejudices. And it is you who is here advocating preferential treatment, not I.

Glass houses, comrade.
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IAmSinistar: For myself it's not envy but a desire for equity. I don't object to local pricing when it is done sensibly. But in this case it is not.
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Sarisio: Such approach often ends like in "Animal Farm" - "all animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others". Don't fight against something which might hurt you back eventually. If you ever knew what is poverty, you'd never write such a thing, and you'd have different view on fairness and "equity".
1. Flat pricing makes sense. As I keep saying, if you go buy a loaf of bread from the corner store, the cashier won't ask for your ID and charge you according to the street you live on, yet in case of games from digital stores, that's exactly what happens.
2. While we stick to the finance-based economic model (which we shouldn't, but anyway), discounts can be given to the poor, sure. But:
a) Wealth is determined individually. There are wealthy people in poor countries and poor people in wealthy countries. Lots and lots of them.
b) Kindly explain to me why Russia's poor (well, all Russians, but anyway, let's go with that) deserve a discount but India's poor or Nigeria's poor or Vietnam's or Sudan's or Haiti's etc. don't. If you give a discount based on that, then give it to all of Africa too, and to most of Asia (excepting Japan and South Korea, probably), and to South America, and to likely all small island nations, and to Eastern Europe, and to Mexico, and now to Greece too...

PS: And you were talking of less than $100 a month after taxes and bills. Well then what of this, percentage of people at less than $2 / day, so less than about $60 a month, total (latest available data, 2010 or later, a whole lot don't have any listed in this range):

Madagascar: 95.1%
Malawi: 88.1%
Zambia: 86.6%
Sierra Leone: 82.5%
Rwanda: 82.3%
Nigeria: 82.2%
Mali: 78.8%
Bangladesh: 76.5%
Niger: 76.1%
Benin: 74.3%
Lesotho: 73.4%
Sao Tome and Principe: 73.1%
Tanzania: 73%
Togo: 72.8%
Guinea: 72.7%
Ethiopia: 72.2%
Uganda: 62.9%
Lao: 62%
Chad: 60.5%
Senegal: 60.3%
India: 59.2%
Congo: 57.3%
Nepal: 56%
Pakistan: 50.7%
Indonesia: 43.3%
Philippines: 41.7%
Cambodia: 41.3%

So why don't they get discounts too?
Post edited August 21, 2015 by Cavalary