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bluethief: Here's a leaked document that shows that some games are lifetime exclusives, like Oddworld: Soulstorm and WWZ.
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Mr.Mumbles: *looks at capture* Guess I'll never play Ooblets then since I don't support this exculsivity BS. *le sigh*
Ooblets still has a Steam page with a release date of TBA.

Apparently, these documents are from 2019 so maybe something has changed?

Also there's another page going around saying epic would give free games until 2024, but from 2021 onwards, it would be bi-weekly. We're in 2021 and they're giving games on a weekly basis, still.
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teceem: Maybe they're losing money on that game, who knows?
They are most definitely not losing money on Fortnite. If they were, then that would be mass-reported all over the gaming media, which it hasn't ever been, because it's never happened.

But even if it did happen, it wouldn't matter anyway, because Epic can still bankroll EGS forever on their Unreal engine profits, which are insanely high, even more than their Fortnite profits.

So bottomline is, EGS isn't ever going anywhere, unless Epic itself decides to wind it down. The EGS haters who think it's going down as soon as Fornite stops being popular: that's delusional wishful thinking.

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patrikc: Explosive Leaks - Epic Fraud Apple and Ubisoft by Upper Échelon Gamers.
Yep, Epic at work. Sunshine and rainbows.
1. That's an extremely misleading, clickbait video title, which falsely makes it sound like EGS is guilty of fraud, even though they aren't, and the video itself doesn't say that. But the title itself, nevertheless, dishonestly plants that untrue seed in all of its viewers' minds.

2. Mistakes/oversights happens in all places of business.

Should we also be saying that "Sunshine and rainbows" at GOG, and implying no one should ever buy from GOG, on the basis that GOG removed manuals and such from users' library for certain games, because the manuals and stuff like that were technically illegal warez, but GOG didn't know that at the time when they made them available?

If we shouldn't say that, then that would be a double standard to expect EGS to have god-like omniscience, but GOG doesn't need too as well, and GOG gets a free pass for not having anything like that.
Post edited May 07, 2021 by Ancient-Red-Dragon
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bluethief: Here's a leaked document that shows that some games are lifetime exclusives, like Oddworld: Soulstorm and WWZ.
Pardon the obviously metaphysical question, but whose lifetime are we talking about here?
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bluethief: Here's a leaked document that shows that some games are lifetime exclusives, like Oddworld: Soulstorm and WWZ.
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WinterSnowfall: Pardon the obviously metaphysical question, but whose lifetime are we talking about here?
The epic store.
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bluethief: The epic store.
I see your point, but I doubt it. If the IP changes hands, all bets are off. I guess it's the "lifetime" of the game being sold by its current publisher.
Seeing how much Epic paid for the freebies if i understand well i was surprise that Thimbleweed Park gift only cost 85k. And 350k for Limbo, a game with quite years and that was for free many times in other stores. I would like to know only for curiosity how much GOG paid for the XIII gift in the Spring Sale.

On the other hand, the numbers made by Fortnite are crazy.
https://m.slashdot.org/story/385152

As part of the trial against Epic Games, Apple released emails that show that 128 million users, of which 18 million were in the U.S., downloaded apps containing malware known as XCodeGhost from the App Store.
Some more interesting info:

- Epic tried (they might still) to secure Sony 1P games as exclusives. Apparently this image is from a document dated from September 2020. Horizon Zero Dawn released on Steam on August 2020, and in the document they talk about an extended offer, so it might be that Sony declined an initial offer. If they'd accepted, HZD wouldn't probably have been released on GOG by now.

Also, I think. it kind of confirms that Sony has at least 6 games in development for PC. One of them is Days Gone, that's releasing this month.

- Microsoft, via it's Game Pass leader, is against what's Epic doing (probably the exclusivity deals) and they're in a war for content. The Phil Spencer meeting with Gabe bit might be related to the rumours circling aroung that Game Pass is coming to Steam.

- Epic is thinking of talking with Nintendo to bring their games to PC. But as they put it, it's a "Moonshot". Microsoft in the past, during the time of the first Xbox, tried to buy Nintendo and were laughed out of the building, so although not on the same level of deal, I imagine the same would happen to Epic.
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bluethief: The epic store.
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WinterSnowfall: I see your point, but I doubt it. If the IP changes hands, all bets are off. I guess it's the "lifetime" of the game being sold by its current publisher.
That's a good point. But if the IP changed hands, the contract would be automatically voided? Or the new owners would have to renegotiate? I don't know if there's any clause to prevent situations like these.
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Post edited May 08, 2021 by bluethief
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: 1. That's an extremely misleading, clickbait video title, which falsely makes it sound like EGS is guilty of fraud, even though they aren't, and the video itself doesn't say that. But the title itself, nevertheless, dishonestly plants that untrue seed in all of its viewers' minds.

2. Mistakes/oversights happens in all places of business.
Perhaps not the best choice for the title, that doesn't mean certain ideas in the video do not stand.

Tim Sweeney to Ubisoft CEO Yves Guillemot:

Dear Yves,

I’m writing to apologize for the shortcomings in our Epic Games store implementation and our Uplay integration.

In the past 48 hours, the rate of fraudulent transactions on Division 2 surpassed 70% and was approaching 90%. Sophisticated hackers were creating Epic accounts, buying Ubisoft games with stolen credit cards, and then selling the linked Uplay accounts faster than we were disabling linked Uplay purchases for fraud.

Fraud rates for other Epic games store titles are under 2% and Fortnite is under 1%. So 70% fraud was an extraordinary situation.

To stop the fraud, we disabled purchasing of Ubisoft games. We will make our best efforts to restore service as quickly as we can. This depends on a real-time system for disabling refunded and fraudulent purchases on Uplay, and anti-fraud improvements in Epic’s service. This work will likely take at least 2 weeks to complete.

The fault in this situation is entirely Epic’s, and all of the minimum revenue guarantees remain in place to ensure our performance.

I’m sorry for the trouble,

Tim Sweeney

Epic Games
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Post edited May 08, 2021 by patrikc
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bluethief: That's a good point. But if the IP changed hands, the contract would be automatically voided? Or the new owners would have to renegotiate? I don't know if there's any clause to prevent situations like these.
AFAIK new IP owners (during an IP transfer) would not be required to uphold any former agreements unless they wanted to. Various delistings on GOG should be an indication this is how it usually works.

In any case, it's not only up to them. Exclusivity deals and other things that may be considered a dark alley behind antitrust laws or simply attempts at drafting a monopoly may soon come under stricter regulation in the EU. It's only for a "lifetime" if international regulations allow it, after all.
Post edited May 09, 2021 by WinterSnowfall