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ZFR: Wait, so this software allows you to use Alchemy, without Creative sound cards (e.g. on normal mobo integrated sound cards)?
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JAAHAS: Seems so, here is Phil's review for it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSBMrHfsXjE
So my new motherboard came with a DVD that had this Sound Blaster X-Fi MB3 included.

I haven't installed any games to test Alchemy yet, but I'm considering giving it a try.

However, my first impressions are slightly negative. First of all stuff like SBX Pro Studio ("suite of audio technologies creates unprecedented levels of audio realism, add dynamics and punch to every gunshot, explosion and gaming sound. It includes stunning surround effects, producing an incredibly realistic surround sound experience even from just a pair of stereo headphones.") seems to simply add lots of bass and make sounds louder overall. Luckily you can disable all this. I want it only for Alchemy for EAX in older games. Also, and for a strange reason this is why I dislike it most, it causes the Sound Blaster X-Fi MB3 logo to appear for a seconds or two when the program is loaded when Windows starts. I find it annoying.

Going to download NWN and check EAX out. However, I'm considering uninstalling this and only installing it if I need to play an older game where EAX is important.
Post edited January 31, 2018 by ZFR
Well, I ran NWN and the EAX option indeed becomes enabled after enabling the game in Alchemy.

But I'm not sure I notice much of a difference with it being on or off in the starting area.

What's the best way of checking it out? Some cave or something?
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fr33kSh0w2012: Installation Instructions
Dude, you just posted what I've already found here in this same thread..
OK, think I'll leave Sound Blaster X-Fi MB3 and Alechemy, till I decide to play an old game with EAX and then see whether it's worth keeping it. The splash screen on Windows startup is an annoyance, but if EAX works properly, I don't really care.
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ZFR: What's the best way of checking it out? Some cave or something?
Try Thief 1. I don't know what's the best place to check EAX though.
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ZFR: What's the best way of checking it out? Some cave or something?
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phaolo: Try Thief 1. I don't know what's the best place to check EAX though.
I don't own it.
From the games I have I know BG uses it (easily seen in caves), and NWN (not sure where to check it).

Anyway, it's Alchemy, which generally is regarded as the best way of emulating EAX, so I think I'll keep it around.
Post edited January 31, 2018 by ZFR
I wasn't finished Phaolo in win10 you need to set the Alchemy unlocker to use win7 compatibility and use as administrator in the properties tab and then it works LOL!
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Dalthnock: Disregard the "This solution is deprecated" bit. I find it's still, by far, the easiest, simplest & most reliable one. So far, I've had 100% success rate with this tool, even with weird, obscure on-board soundcards.
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hexaae: But AFAIK the old Alchemy Universal workaround can't emulate EAX 3.0 and EAX 4.0 (for example Thief: Deadly Shadows).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_with_EAX_support
I don't think EAX 3.0/4.0 will make your game *sound* better. EAX only adds effects to certain areas. That's it.

It also allows you to emulate DirectSound, which *can* be an improvement. The only thing I really noticed is that it's simply louder. It's still emulated.

This is really difficult to explain, as it really depends on how much you're paying attention to what you hear, but what I noticed is that the effects depend mainly on the sound card itself.

I tried EAX Prince of Persia Sands of Time with and without a SoundBlaster, and with the on-board sound card, the echo effects inside the cave with the dagger were... I dunno, hollow, cold? Wheras with the Audigy 2 they sounded much richer.

Of course, I made that experience a long time ago, and probably on-board audio has improved a lot, but unless you're using a really good set of speakers with your laptop, AND you have extremely good hearing, trying to get newer versions of Alchemy to work with your sound card is really unnecessary work, in my opinion.

But hey, if you want to, go ahead. I certainly didn't notice any improvement.

If you have a desktop, do yourself a favour and just get a SoundBlaster Z. Spare yourself the headaches.
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hexaae: But AFAIK the old Alchemy Universal workaround can't emulate EAX 3.0 and EAX 4.0 (for example Thief: Deadly Shadows).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_with_EAX_support
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Dalthnock: I don't think EAX 3.0/4.0 will make your game *sound* better. EAX only adds effects to certain areas. That's it.
Yes, my friend, I know the difference: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=thief+deadly+shadows+EAX
Post edited January 31, 2018 by hexaae
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hexaae: I can say it works better than Alchemy Universal, for example I can enable all EAX 2 features in Neverwinter Nights 2 now.
For EAX 3.0 and 4.0 emulation I think we'll have to wait for a new version of http://www.indirectsound.com/
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fr33kSh0w2012: Indirectsound is TERRIBLE!

I am glad you like 3dsoundback you may need to fiddle with the maximum buffers and the minimun buffersize to get it to sound just right though

I will look into Indirectsound though!
Hi!

I'm the author of IndirectSound, and always happy to try and improve it. I'd be curious why you think it's "terrible"; there could be bugs that I'm not aware of. (If you don't want to post here and hijack the current thread you can feel free to email me at indirectsound@gmail.com :)
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fr33kSh0w2012: Indirectsound is TERRIBLE!

I am glad you like 3dsoundback you may need to fiddle with the maximum buffers and the minimun buffersize to get it to sound just right though

I will look into Indirectsound though!
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jonpol: Hi!

I'm the author of IndirectSound, and always happy to try and improve it. I'd be curious why you think it's "terrible"; there could be bugs that I'm not aware of. (If you don't want to post here and hijack the current thread you can feel free to email me at indirectsound@gmail.com :)
It doesn't play nice with windows 10 pro 64bit edition and it comes up with an error message in Japanese or chinese or whatever that language is and when I managed to fiddle around a bit it makes the sound very static with popping and crackling does what I am saying make sense?

It also seems to be missing a file when I downloaded it it was a *.dll file I cant remember what it was called unfortunately!
Post edited February 09, 2018 by fr33kSh0w2012
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jonpol: Hi!

I'm the author of IndirectSound, and always happy to try and improve it. I'd be curious why you think it's "terrible"; there could be bugs that I'm not aware of. (If you don't want to post here and hijack the current thread you can feel free to email me at indirectsound@gmail.com :)
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fr33kSh0w2012: It doesn't play nice with windows 10 pro 64bit edition and it comes up with an error message in Japanese or chinese or whatever that language is and when I managed to fiddle around a bit it makes the sound very static with popping and crackling does what I am saying make sense?

It also seems to be missing a file when I downloaded it it was a *.dll file I cant remember what it was called unfortunately!
Thanks for responding. It works for some people (including me) using Windows 10 Pro 64-bit, so there is likely something else wrong. It sounds like it's not a problem, though, because you are happy with Realtek 3D SoundBack :-)
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fr33kSh0w2012: It doesn't play nice with windows 10 pro 64bit edition and it comes up with an error message in Japanese or chinese or whatever that language is and when I managed to fiddle around a bit it makes the sound very static with popping and crackling does what I am saying make sense?

It also seems to be missing a file when I downloaded it it was a *.dll file I cant remember what it was called unfortunately!
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jonpol: Thanks for responding. It works for some people (including me) using Windows 10 Pro 64-bit, so there is likely something else wrong. It sounds like it's not a problem, though, because you are happy with Realtek 3D SoundBack :-)
That is correct Jonpol I am also using ALchemy with the Alchemy unlocker tool which helps alot!
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jonpol: Thanks for responding. It works for some people (including me) using Windows 10 Pro 64-bit, so there is likely something else wrong. It sounds like it's not a problem, though, because you are happy with Realtek 3D SoundBack :-)
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fr33kSh0w2012: That is correct Jonpol I am also using ALchemy with the Alchemy unlocker tool which helps alot!
Ok, cool. If you ever want to troubleshoot IndirectSound in the future feel free to send me an email. It really helps for people to let me know if they run into problems, because there might be system configurations different from mine or games I don't have that reveal issues I would otherwise never know about.