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on the occasion of the upcoming christmas sales on GOG , I ask for advice for difficult games, to challenge myself. thanks for the answers XD
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If you haven't played them already: Hollow Knight and Enter the Gungeon.
It does depend on what games you enjoy. No point recommending the Lion King if you enjoy difficult racing games for example.

On GOG, any Disney game. Seriously, they look quite good and the graphics honesty still hold up but those games are hard.

You can also do self-imposed challenges on a favorite game which which allows you to further explore the game you enjoy and figure out new tricks to get better at the game. Since you already know the game, you also know what you can "remove" to make a game harder.
Gothic & Gothic 2, if you find it challenging getting used to unusual control schemes. They're quite difficult (as in not hand-holding you and not rubbing it into your face how to solve problems and overcome enemies) in general, as well.

Battle Brothers, if you find it challenging figuring out the tactical choices and decisions that won't result in or at least might lessen the chances of one or several of your mercenaries getting fisted by RNGesus.
If you are into RPG's I would Recommend Wizardry 6 & 7, if you want an even higher challenge Wizardry 7 has some optional bosses called the Gorrors that can wipe a party out even at max level.
If you like to torture yourself with point & click adventure games, I recommend The Feeble Files. Great story although it might feel a bit too Orwellian to count as escapism in current times. Everything looks cute but don't underestimate this game, after more than 20 years I still haven't finished it. The puzzles will make you feel more dense than a neutron star.
Post edited December 11, 2021 by awalterj
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phaolo: If you haven't played them already: Hollow Knight and Enter the Gungeon.
nope i no I have never tried them. added in wishlist
Distant Worlds Universe is a game with a lot of options and interactions all wrapped in a excel manager. It could be something to wrap you head around for a time trying to understand its mechanics
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Tokyo_Bunny_8990: It does depend on what games you enjoy. No point recommending the Lion King if you enjoy difficult racing games for example.

On GOG, any Disney game. Seriously, they look quite good and the graphics honesty still hold up but those games are hard.

You can also do self-imposed challenges on a favorite game which which allows you to further explore the game you enjoy and figure out new tricks to get better at the game. Since you already know the game, you also know what you can "remove" to make a game harder.
disney game? this is a I thought they were games suitable for children.
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TzarHar: Gothic & Gothic 2, if you find it challenging getting used to unusual control schemes. They're quite difficult (as in not hand-holding you and not rubbing it into your face how to solve problems and overcome enemies) in general, as well.

Battle Brothers, if you find it challenging figuring out the tactical choices and decisions that won't result in or at least might lessen the chances of one or several of your mercenaries getting fisted by RNGesus.
i know there is a mod out for gothic 2. it would be a good time to recover the games. the combat system doesn't convince me much, but they are old games. i'll try them out
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wolfsite: If you are into RPG's I would Recommend Wizardry 6 & 7, if you want an even higher challenge Wizardry 7 has some optional bosses called the Gorrors that can wipe a party out even at max level.
yes i love rpg. I will take a look
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awalterj: If you like to torture yourself with point & click adventure games, I recommend The Feeble Files. Great story although it might feel a bit too Orwellian to count as escapism in current times. Everything looks cute but don't underestimate this game, after more than 20 years I still haven't finished it. The puzzles will make you feel more dense than a neutron star.
never tried a point & click game. thanks for suggestion
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Zimerius: Distant Worlds Universe is a game with a lot of options and interactions all wrapped in a excel manager. It could be something to wrap you head around for a time trying to understand its mechanics
sounds a bit complicated ahahahah. i'll take a look
Post edited December 11, 2021 by womocombo
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wolfsite: If you are into RPG's I would Recommend Wizardry 6 & 7, if you want an even higher challenge Wizardry 7 has some optional bosses called the Gorrors that can wipe a party out even at max level.
There's also Elminage Gothic, which may be one of the hardest Wizardry-likes in existence, especially if you're going to attempt the final post-game dungeon.

The game has it all; instant death enemies in the second dungeon, powerful normal enemies on the last floor of every optional dungeon, resurrection failure chances, traps that can age (or reverse age) your characters, and even level draining enemies (though fortunately those don't appear until mid-game). Fortunately, the game gives you plenty of tools, and the developers made sure to give even niche classes some use (I remember one enemy that could be easily beheaded, but couldn't be hit with instant-death spells, for example).
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wolfsite: If you are into RPG's I would Recommend Wizardry 6 & 7, if you want an even higher challenge Wizardry 7 has some optional bosses called the Gorrors that can wipe a party out even at max level.
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dtgreene: There's also Elminage Gothic, which may be one of the hardest Wizardry-likes in existence, especially if you're going to attempt the final post-game dungeon.

The game has it all; instant death enemies in the second dungeon, powerful normal enemies on the last floor of every optional dungeon, resurrection failure chances, traps that can age (or reverse age) your characters, and even level draining enemies (though fortunately those don't appear until mid-game). Fortunately, the game gives you plenty of tools, and the developers made sure to give even niche classes some use (I remember one enemy that could be easily beheaded, but couldn't be hit with instant-death spells, for example).
I grabbed Elminage Gothic a while back, all this Wizardry talk is making me wish the rest of the main series was here on GOG.
Shadow tactics: Blades of the shogun. I find it more difficult than the old Commandos games (even the first one), so it's quite challenging.
I'd recommend the following games:
- Homeworld 1 Classic which is in Homeworld Remastered Collection. Now it is on sale.
- Heroes of Might and Magic 3 can be quite brutal on some camping maps and skirmish maps.
- Die by the Sword. Struggle not only with enemies, but also a little clumsy, but satisfctional combat system using mouse.
- Ronin - platformer game, that demands logical thinking when and hot to kill enemies and secure objectives.
- FTL - Roguelike hell in space.
- The Void - game with half-naked womand and abnormal mutilated "brothers". It is overall hard, trust me.
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phaolo: If you haven't played them already: Hollow Knight and Enter the Gungeon.
If you're into action-adventure games, + 1 for Hollow Knight.
To complete it, is not so hard. To complete it, is really hard and requires effort in enemy design understanding.

My recommendation in the RPG side is for Dragon Age: Origins. It's not that hard, but it definitely makes you think out of the box and out of your comfort zone to progress.

In the FPS area, I recommend Serious Sam: The First Encounter in highest difficulties. Game on normal is not that troublesome, but if you wish for it, the game gives you options to make your life harder. Really fun.

In the Platformer-Puzzle side, I recommend Cyber Hook. It is an fps-puzzle-platformer with many levels requiring planning, movement understanding and patience.
Post edited December 11, 2021 by _Line
Proper hard (and fun) games by design:

Cuphead
Spelunky both the free classic version and HD version
Battle Brothers
SpaceChem

All on Gog.com and those games don't hold your hand, neither they are "consolized".



Pretty much any Rogue like lite lich light litch whatever (Isaac, FTL, Death Cells), Dark Souls and similar (including Sekiro), Super meat boy and similar (Celeste, Geometry Dash, vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv) or Puzzle/timing games like Super Hexagon or beat saber.


If you want a proper challenge, go play Dirt Rally campaign and try to beat the 1600cc RallyCross, where the AI can beat the World record just to beat you... It's not a bug, it's a feature.