Maybe because those of us here are, oh, I don't know, the customers and the fans? Better to ask why is it always about defending anti-consumer practices by corporations? Doing that is how we got the state of modern gaming. Or do you think practices like DRM and microtransactions are just a passing fad that will disappear soon? And don't think that I am excluding GOG from blame in this sorry state of modern gaming either. CDPR locked content for Cyberpunk behind a client requirement and are making a special separate game which will "naturally" have microtransactions.

Sadly, since you are correct that CDPR are beholden to investors more than customers, there is not much the customers can do. CDPR will likely keep trotting out the anticonsumer practices either until they're successful or until it's an unsuccessful failure that causes them to close shop. This also applies to the folks boycotting them for not carrying whichever game. Boycott them because you don't want to give them money, fine, but don't think that boycotting them for X reason will make a bit of difference the way things are.

Wait. Maybe i am misunderstanding you, but are you under the impression i am defending CDPRs questionable practices? True, unless a significant number of people would do this sustained. Which i find quite unlikely to happen. Yet this fact won't deter me from not shopping on GOG anymore (obviously, i only speak for myself, and i am not really a good representation of any other group of people). Well, what can i say, i guess i haven't really figured out the "just be a good consumer" thing yet.

but they made their money back in like 10 hours... what are they going to sue them for? they wanted to wait a bit longer to recover their investment?

a videogame was promised and a videogame was delivered. better sue the guys at star citizen if that's the case

Yeah. That has to be seen. So far there have been reports and announcements of lawsuits, but to my knowledge, no lawsuit has been filed yet. (EDIT: Correction. There is at least one lawsuit already filed: https://www.rosenlegal.com/cases-2010.html) Only when a lawsuit has been filed, one can take a look at the specifics of the claim. (If i am not mistaken, documents filed with U.S. federal courts can be publicly disseminated; restrictions might apply. You would just need someone who would register and pay the access fee to get the documents from pacer.gov...)

But it's safe to say that it's not about revenue in this one quarter, but about market value / stock value of the company and how the companys actions might have contributed to the rather steep decline of the stock value and / or possible misrepresentations that could have misled stock market participants to purchase CDPR stock (prior the stock slide) based on possible material untruths communicated by the company.

Hellogames came from the pit of hell and is now a pretty decently respected devteam. CDP has already handled and squished some of the biggest most pressing bugs and it was within a week of launch... we have 2 massive content and bug patches coming by the end of February.

CDP is doing fine, sales are great, even the crack community is commenting on how fun and exciting the game is... bugs or not everyone is enjoying it, don't believe the media.

Something important to remember / know (honestly I had no idea before watching a lawyer video on the subject) is that CDPR doesn't faces four lawsuits, there is four law firms filling a class action against them, that's a big difference.

In the US you cannot have multiple class action for the same "crime", but it's apparently a common practice to have multiple law firm starting the "same" class action in parallel and trying to attract plaintiffs. If the class action goes further then one of the plaintiff will be chosen as the "lead plaintiff" and his/her law-firm will will be the one working on the case. (and the one touching the jackpot if they manage to win)

So it wouldn't be surprised if in the upcoming days we see other law-firm doing the same, but at the end of the days, no matter if there is four or twenty different law-firm starting the same class action against CDPR, there will be only one lawsuit if there is a lawsuit at all.

Of course that's only true for the US, if the unknown forum guy from Poland really start a class action there then it will be a different lawsuit.

Which makes them useless as it's nothing more than clickbait...

I'd rather see it when it actually starts, not farting at the sky and hoping for a tornado.

Especially the lads and gals with last-gen consoles. o_O
But yeah, CDPR has already dished out patches left, right and center, among them massive patches for last-gen consoles more than a week ago. They are hard at work...

I did not mean for it to come off like I was attacking or anything like that. Just speaking rhetorically in general. Sorry about that!

Consider too the "whale" problem. That is, even if users in large numbers left the site, if GOG was able to make up the difference via whales (minority of customers who make up the majority of money spent) buying microtransactions (say, in Cyberpunk multiplayer), it still likely would not change anything for the better. Absent a more ethical market system existing, I honestly don't think there is any "being a good consumer" in the present. I do think it's good if people want to stop buying if something bothers them about doing so, just that it is perhaps naive to think this makes a difference beyond a personal level.

I had thought there was an alternative type of "whale" on this store already, the "DRM-free only" customer who buys tons of stuff here to have the offline installers. And perhaps there still is this type of customer, just GOG is going in a different direction anyway it seems. It makes all the things we're discussing even tougher when a business does not act rationally, or in a way that is perhaps rational in the short term but bares out to be irrational in the long term.

I have a friend with a PS4 and PS5 and another with a PS4PRO and they are both enjoying it on the consoles.. the PS4 player didn't think anything of the look, he never really saw the trailers or anything so when he jumped to the PS5 it was mind blowing for him.. the PS4PRo player is having the time of his life... he just passed 100hours.

It was buggy but once the 1.05 patch dropped it fixed nearly everything that was game breaking for them. both were working a lot after release and never played it during that first week so it was fine.

NMS: the features were not what was expected.

Cyberpunk: bugs at release. That's all.

Way different.
Yes, it is hard to understand.

CEOs and shareholders were natural enemies until the eighties. At that time they started so-called an "unholy alliance". As a result, shareholders would allow CEOs big cash as long as they raised the shares value, short term (for example, by cutting I+D investment or, typically the workforce). Even if that damaged the perspectives of the company, long term. Also, going against the people for whom the company means more and who actually depend on them. Namely: customers, suppliers, and employees.

That is what happens when a CEO claims that their sole objective is raising the "shareholder value". They actually mean getting their precious bonuses, then leave the company when the short term account balance is still good and they are hireable by another company, or just retire and enjoy the spoils. That kind of CEO is no good for no company. They are good only for speculators who will buy shares one day and jump ship fast, before the short term effect fades.

There were no misrepresentations, as it was pointed out with the case of No Man's Sky. It's also telling that actual misrepresentations have happened in the past and nobody could do anything about it. Bullshots still exist, and I think they actually went to court for that one and Gearbox (which iirc was the accused company) was not punished.

A good idea would be to see if the descrease in price of CDPR's shares has something to do with Cyberpunk itself or not. Sometimes these decreases are completely normal.

yep pretty much what i think about these ceo-s ,they are so fake and ruinous
imho share trading should be limited to minimize these short term brokers

Not disputing the point, but it's probably helpful to have what Rosen is actually complaining about here:

Rosen's argument seems to be that CDPR should have known and said that the game was not suitable for release on PS4 (and xb1)- ie, they promised/ misrepresented to investors a release there and it's been disastrous enough that the game is instead pulled, and that was a predictable consequence of its release state. To whit, from Rosen's website:

"According to the lawsuit, defendants throughout the Class Period made false and/or misleading statements and/or failed to disclose that: (1) Cyberpunk 2077 was virtually unplayable on the current-generation Xbox or Playstation systems due to an enormous number of bugs; (2) as a result, Sony would remove Cyberpunk 2077 from the Playstation store, and Sony, Microsoft and CD Projekt would be forced to offer full refunds for the game; (3) consequently, CD Projekt would suffer reputational and pecuniary harm; and (4) as a result, defendants’ statements about its business, operations, and prospects, were materially false and misleading and/or lacked a reasonable basis at all relevant times. When the true details entered the market, the lawsuit claims that investors suffered damages."

I tend to agree that it's not really misrepresentation though, the complaint is worded sloppily, and implies that they should have announced/ known that it was being pulled from PS4 up to a year ago when they probably thought it could be brought to a decent release state. Which is why I think it's settlement fishing, and not intended to go to court. Basically the equivalent of patent trolling or ambulance chasing where the lawyer is looking for a pay out to go away. Yep. Releases and good news tend to be priced in to share prices already, and are often used for profit taking. The example I gave in another thread was AMD, pretty much non stop good news in all their financial statements but their share price drops after each one because the good news is already priced in. There's no doubt at all that CDP was massively overpriced and a bubble stock whatever state C2077 was in at release.