Oh some of them give a fuck just in a different way, I see an increasing number of people who openly state they wish for CDP to go bankrupt.

Yup, this a million times. To which I say, they likely won't get there because EA, Epic, Tencent or some other corporate vulture will come in and buy the company for cents on the dollar. At which point, the library of DRM free games we have get switched over to EA's Origin or Epic's Game Store. Great result that I'm sure everyone frequenting GOG is cheering for.

In regards to the lawyers, realize that the company is already getting punished by the market in terms of stock prices (which affects the C Suite's bottom line). The lawyers are just swooping in to grab another pound of flesh. Every minute the company is spending on dealing with the lawsuits is every minute not being spent on patching up games, managing GOG, or developing new games/content. Every dollar spent on lawsuits is money not being spent towards paying the devs for making new content or maintaining GOG.

Yeah, and that's what I don't get:
what good will a bankrupt CDPR be to these people (who are supposedly gamers)?

Over the last several years I came to the conclusion that the "gaming community" (a term which is a joke in itself) isn't really prone of thinking things through to their (bitter) end.

A "community" which is always quick at hand barking and biting...but once the hare is hunted dead - it's only showing embarrassed faces and is trying to put the blame onto others.
Bingo!

The company's legal team is not comprised of developers or game designers but of lawyers and possibly para-legals (or whatever their Polish equivalent). Usually development/design work is done by the development/design teams, and legal work is done by the legal department, which can happen concurrently unencumbered by each other. It is practically unheard of that a legal department is part of the development/design workforce that would be unavailable for development/design work due to ongoing lawsuits. Most lawyers and para-legals would be totally unsuited for development/design work anyway.

But, given the state of the last-gen console ports of the game, one might be forgiven to think that CDPR indeed handed some last-gen console development duties to the fellas in the legal department. ;-P

No, I get that. The ground crew are different. But let's not imagine it's not an overhang on the whole company if the lawsuits become company threatening (which it isn't yet). Whether the effects trickle into the operational/developmental side is entirely dependent on the size of the lawsuit relative to the company. The whole point of my initial post is in regards to folks who wish for the bankruptcy of the company. If the company gets to that state, the legal battles likely is a contributor in that in the form of damages at which point the legal side will become an overhang on the developmental side.

For management though, the lawsuits are another thing that they have to deal with, which does distract them from the operational stuff that they should be focusing on (patching, content creation, getting more games on GOG) .

Nothing.

What good will tolerating and hand-waving bad business practices bring?
Nothing.

What now...?

What bad will tolerating and hand-waving bad business practices bring?
Exactly! - Nothing that we know of now.
So, maybe we should simply wait and see?
If there will be more and maybe even worse bad behaviour of CDPR in the future, we can still demand their downfall. Yes?

You don't tolerate bad business practices. You punish them (reputation, stock price, etc.). That said, you don't give them the death sentence unless you think the company is beyond redemption, which I personally think EA is.

It's like if your kid did something wrong. You don't exile them into Siberia or send them off to prison. You ground them, you make them aware it's not right and it's to never be repeated. You take away their allowance, their electronics time, etc.

Their mentality is just let the abuser do whatever it wants, because fighting back could lead to further confrontations.
Always surrender never fight, boo on others who fight back, those are the real evil.
This thinking is nearly everywhere sadly and probably the worst part of humanity atm.

Me personally haven't lost anything from this. I'll just wait a half or a full year and check if cyberpukk is fixed into an actually good game or not I just hope companies will stop putting out these clearly not finished games, the least I can do is not boo on others who want to force companies to change their behaviours.

I got you. The financial burden of a legal fight can, and probably will have consequences for funding the operation of the business, which in the worst case can shut the company down.

I don't put too much import on people cheering for a possible end of the company. People love with passion, people hate with passion. I don't see a problem with that -- unless it escalates to something akin to a mob with pitchforks, attacks against actual people of or related with CDP(R) or worse. I dunno if it has reached the point, from what i see it doesn't look that way (but i also did not actively look for signs, either).

If substantial lawsuits are going to be crafted by some lawfirm(s), it will be unrelated to and unaffected by people cheering for CDP(R) bankruptcy, and i would wish for a separation of the two concerns (one about people cheering for CDP(R)'s bankruptcy, and one about the potential class action lawsuits). I guess i myself got caught in mixing together both concerns, and it just makes the discussion of those two concerns more difficult.

Normally, I wouldn't reply to your nonsense posts, but I'll make this sole exception:
Please - pray tell, how is whining on the forum of a game store somehow equal to "fighting back" against anything?
Awaiting your explanation.
Maybe try to be serious, just for once.

The cheering of people for the bankruptcy of CDP(R) won't give a death sentence, though.
(The context of the post i responded to was about "supposed gamers" cheering for a possible bankruptcy of CDP(R), if i was not mistaken.)

A possible death sentence would probably a combination of:

- lawsuits against the company (assuming the lawsuits have substance and prevail in court)
- ongoing slide of the market value of the company
- people turning away in significant numbers from purchasing CDPR products/games and/or purchasing on CDP's sales platform GOG

Neither of these 3 things would be inappropriate. Neither of those 3 things would be morally wrong. Either of them would be a reasonable response to the company's current performance (i would consider the last one unexpected, though, if it were to happen). It might be sad to see CDP(R) go - IF it were to go -, given its history, but i doubt there would be any over-the-top actions [*] (of customers, other non-customer gamers, the stock market, some law firm(s), or the court(s)) one could blame the company's demise for.

[*] Such as customers self-organizing in a relentless and, more importantly, sustained social media campaign to bring the company down. Or some stock market player trying to short CDP's stocks improperly and illegally, although that chance has perhaps passed by now, given how deep CDP's stock value has dived already)

suing the ceo is clearly fighting back ,don't you think?
or boycotting gog due to recent events
even sharing your negative opinion is fighting back not much but still it is

"Maybe try to be serious, just for once."
ah yes the elitist way of demeaning those who think differently , i haven't expected anything less

btw do you really think that a court order in poland would dissolve cdp? i dont even know any case where this have happened.

Because these lawyers are doing this only to enrich themselves. They are not doing this for the fans and consumers disappointed by CDProject's product.

Say the lawyers when their lawsuit and CD has to pay the price, and what do the consumers and fans get out of this? Is this gonna fix the issues people have with Cyberpunk 2077? Is losing to a bunch of blood sucking lawyers gonna help with CDProjecktRED fix their reputation?

CDProjecktRED should be answering and mending wounds more to the consumers then the lawyers.

Why is it always about "what do the customers and the fans out of this"? The answer is: nothing. To you as a customer, CDPR has only one obligation: to provide a product working as promised. There is nothing to "get out of it". You shall get the promised product you paid for, or your money back (depending on jurisdiction possibly with interest), that's all. There are no other obligations the company has towards the customer (i don't know whether there are additional warranty requirements for software in some jurisdictions, though), nothing else the company has to answer for with regard to customers (in a legal context).

That's not what the lawsuits are about, though. Customers/consumers are not the class in the intended class action lawsuit(s), if i am not mistaken.

Yeah, but don't conflate fans and consumers with stock holders (and possibly other investors in the company). CDPR is answerable to them, too. And those questions and complains from stock holders will be much more serious and will not be just about CP2077's product quality, but about company performance in a way that can legally matter. And CDPR will have to confront this (regardless of whether class action lawsuits happen). And unless i am terribly confused, the class in the intended class action lawsuit(s) are stock holders, specifically holders of ADRs. Not consumers/customers. Remember, a company is not only beholden to the customers, but more so to its stock holders and investors.

It is indeed correct and obvious that the lawyers are not doing it for the customers/consumers, simply because they are not the class in those lawsuits. Keep in mind, the only obligation CDPR has towards customers is to deliver a product working as promised, or refund any payment already made by the customer. Only if CDPR does not manage to fix/repair the product in a reasonable timeframe and otherwise refuse refunds would there be grounds for any possible lawsuit(s) with customers being the plaintiffs or class in a class action lawsuit.

And just to make clear: I don't care if CDPR will be gone or not. I am not a fanboy. I am not a passionate hater. Why should i cheer for a company that does questionable actions? Why should i be afraid of CDPR possibly going down? I do neither. Why would i? It's a business, a company whose products (some of them) i purchased. I can say the same about so many other companies. I don't have a particular attachment to CDPR. I recognize its history, i recognize people's passion about CDPR. But to me, it's no different than some other company i purchase goods from. Why should i be so bothered about one fate or the other of this company? It's not like when they are gone - IF that happens, remember, we are talking about a speculative scenario here - that there will be no good (DRM free) video games anymore. The talent behind the great games that gave CDPR its reputation won't stop existing when the company goes defunct. There are other studios who will gladly take the talent, or they might found a new studio. It has happened numerous times before.