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And tomorrow it will be..............how to boil water using wet match sticks
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Tauto: And tomorrow it will be..............how to boil water using wet match sticks
I wonder about you...
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Fairfox: you seem to go from on tech crisis to another :/

how much do you pay for yooour interwebs anyhoohar?
LOL, I can't be the only tech challenged person on these intertoobz. In fact, I'm probably not as far below average as i sometimes think. Or maybe I am...

EDIT: Oh how much do I pay for my ISP??? $230.27 per month. Exactly to the penny. (USD).
EDIT2: Oops... lol.. that's the amount I pay each month.. but it includes more than just my ISP. It includes my land line phone line, and my cable TV with 4 TV's and the top tier programming (whatever that's called now) that includes all of the movie channels and stuff. I don't know how to break that down but i think that they offer the 200Mbs service for $74.99.
EDIT3: Screenshot showing current Comcast "deal" for very hi speed ISP. Deal price is $20 a month cheaper than their regular price and you get the deal price for one year if you sign up now. So that's I guess the price range for the higher speeds. I also saw a 2Gb speed one that is $149.99 a month.
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Post edited March 16, 2018 by OldFatGuy
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Tauto: And tomorrow it will be..............how to boil water using wet match sticks
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OldFatGuy: I wonder about you...
https://media.giphy.com/media/Cgo9XkgzRcTPW/giphy.gif

And if anyone wants to jam with that song at home, it's pretty simple. D, G, A, G, D
Post edited March 16, 2018 by tinyE
I don´t know much about the technical side of the internet, but what kind of connection do you have from street to house? A year ago the telekom provider in my town replaced all the old copper lines with modern fiber optic cables. And that is what gives the final download speed as far as I understand it. IT experts please correct me, if I´m talking nonsense.
But for comparison: My ISP package is 10 Mb/s and I download with 6-8 Mb/s from gog. Other sites vary.
Funny detail: The very first time I downloaded from gog I got the full 10 Mb/s, but after that it went down to 8 max. So there might be a limiting from gogs side.
your ISP can claim bla bla MBPS that means that they can get to that fast if noone else on their service is connected and your noise/distraction free.
Just like a highway, the more people using it the slower it will become, or it becomes loaded. no matter what site your looking at.
Even "fiber optic" has that issue I'm paying for 100mbps and rarely see 70mbps.

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Dejavous: your ISP can claim bla bla MBPS that means that they can get to that fast if noone else on their service is connected and your noise/distraction free.
Just like a highway, the more people using it the slower it will become, or it becomes loaded. no matter what site your looking at.
Even "fiber optic" has that issue I'm paying for 100mbps and rarely see 70mbps.

Broadband explained
Again though that's not the issue at hand here. The issue is how download speed is capped in browser (any browser) at 3.5MB/s. Of course speeds vary. No one (that I know of) thinks they don't. Except, you know, when you're downloading something (anything) just using the browser itself (any browser), from any site, when you happen have a blazing fast ISP. Then it doesn't differ much.. it's always 3.5MB/s because that's the limit. (What does that translate to anyway.. about a 30Mb/s connection???)

So if you've got a connection speed of 100 (or 200 like me) it doesn't matter about any of that traffic stuff.. time of day stuff... inclement weather stuff... you're only going to get the 3.5MB/s using the built in browser downloader. You could get even slower if something somewhere was really messed up, but you're not going to get anything faster unless you use a DL manager.

And I just don't get why that is the case in the year 2018. I mean this has been the way it's been for years for me. You would think that "cap" (whatever is causing the cap) would "grow" with time as internet speeds have grown. But no... right now.. tonight.. on this computer.. if I download any file from any site from anywhere in the world, using just browser built into Firefox (or Edge... those are the only two installed on here at the moment), my speed will be 3.5MB/s. The second I add a working download manager... I go from that 3.5MB/s to 10... 20... and sometimes 30MB/s. It just seems the "standard" browser speed should be higher is what I'm trying to say. At least whatever translates to 50Mbps (probably what 6MB/s? 6 would be a lot better than 3.5... though I want my 15, 20, and 30 back LOL.

But as I'm having trouble now with this new version of Firefox to get any download manager to work.. I would LOVE to see 6.0MB/s instead of this damned 3.5. I've gotten spoiled by speed and waiting 19 minutes for a 4GB file was a no go for me. Not when that same file took what, maybe 5 (MAYBE, probably even less than that. I think it used to be roughly a GB per minute on average here at GOG.. even faster on Steam.. which is still the same since you don't download through the browser there and instead download through the client.) minutes before? That's a HUGE difference.

I know I could use Galaxy... but I don't want to. I haven't had to for all the years I've been at GOG and don't want to now. I did used to use GOG's Downloader... and it worked GREAT. But then they stopped supporting it so I decided to find another option... discovered DownThemAll with Firefox and ever since have been happy. But I kept getting these "your connection is not secure" and "this version of Firefox is not secure" message because they fucking "upgraded" Firefox to Quantum (or something or other) and DownThemAll will NOT work with this version. And I have tried 10 different add-ons now and not a single one of them do what DownThemAll did either. Yeah I'm pissed LOL.
Post edited March 16, 2018 by OldFatGuy
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Tauto: And tomorrow it will be..............how to boil water using wet match sticks
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OldFatGuy: I wonder about you...
Not born but this place bought it out.And I had a laugh.
Post edited March 16, 2018 by Tauto
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OldFatGuy: I have this issue EVERY TIME I download something. And I know how to fix it. The issue is when I download something (anything... anywhere.. anytime) from my browser (any browser... tried at least 4) the fastest download speed I ever get is 3.5MBs. That's it. No where near my "limit." But when I go and use a download manager.. BOOM.. then I get 15, 20 and on Steam even 30MB/s. (now we're talking my limit... my ISP package is at 200Mb/s).
Is it the same with browsers if you start several downloads at the same time? Is the combined speed still just 3.5MB/s, or n times 3.5MB/s, where n is the number of simultaneous web browser downloads?

Dunno, maybe your ISP throttles ports 80 and/or 443 (http and https ports, I believe). Then again that would be quite odd when they are selling internet with higher speed, and then throttle two quite important ports...

EDIT: And you saw this with all your browser downloads, not just from gog.com?
Post edited March 16, 2018 by timppu
So I got one to work.. sort of (doesn't work as it says on it's site). Still not as convenient (or fast) as DownThemAll was, but workable. See the two screenshots. The first one was downloading the file Ember setup bin1 file (4.0GB file) from here at GoG a few minutes ago. As ALWAYS, max speed is around 3.5MB/s. Then I download it using IDA download manager. Same file. Same site (here at gog). within minutes of each other. About 13.5MB/s.

The speed is CAPPED in the standard browser download at 3.5MB/s. It doesn't matter what site you're on. It doesn't matter what time of day, what traffic is like... IT DOESN'T MATTER. Now if your ISP is slower, then yeah, you'll get different speeds based on that type of stuff but they will be LOWER THAN 3.5MB/s.

If you have fast internet connection (and I know damned well I'm not the only person in the world with a 200Mb/s internet connection) then it doesn't matter what site you go to. Doesn't matter what computer you use (been this way on every computer I've had for years). Doesn't matter what OS you use (been this way from XP to 7 now to 10). Doesn't matter what browser you use (have used at least 4 over this time... all the exact same... somewhere right around the 3.5MB/s mark (give or take .1 or .2 either way). None of that matters. The speed is obviously CAPPED at 3.5MB/s in standard browser downloads (though it could be a USA thing I suppose.. don't know). Then, as soon as you use a download manager... BOOM, then you break the 3.5MB/s barrier. With ease.

And again, I don't get this being the "cap" in the year 2018. In fact, I don't get it being capped at all. WTF? It seems to me that should be up to the individual site rather than all sites everywhere no matter the browser etc. etc. etc. I mean why on earth would GOG want to cap their customers download speeds to 3.5MB/s??? Are they insane???? "Yeah, well we know a lot of our customers that buy our games have real high speed internet access but we'll go ahead and cap them at 3.5MB/s anyway. See how happy that makes them." WTF?

Capture.jpg is using the standard downloader in Firefox. Capture1.jpg is using IDA download manager.

It doesn't make sense. Not in 2018.
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Post edited March 18, 2018 by OldFatGuy
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OldFatGuy: The speed is CAPPED in the standard browser download at 3.5MB/s. It doesn't matter what site you're on. It doesn't matter what time of day, what traffic is like... IT DOESN'T MATTER. Now if your ISP is slower, then yeah, you'll get different speeds based on that type of stuff but they will be LOWER THAN 3.5MB/s.
No, OFG, this is just you. And if you keep acting like the problem is out of your hands, you'll never solve it. It's you, and up to you to fix it.

My parents use Comcast and download just fine at 5-6 MB/sec (they've got a 50 Mbps nominal cap) and despite years of effort, I haven't managed to teach them how to do anything *but* download through a browser. I just recently downloaded a game installer from GOG at around 100MBps (I have gigabit internet) through Firefox. Your problems are yours. You want answers, go look at the stuff people have told you but that you've brushed aside. You're wrong. Again. You have this problem, and if you want it fixed, you need to see what you're doing wrong. Hint: it's probably your computer, and possibly even your connection to the world, not you as a person - but it's still your error.

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timppu: Then again that would be quite odd when they are selling internet with higher speed, and then throttle two quite important ports...
Not that odd here in the USA, sadly. Comcast is one of the providers that still uses cable regularly. Cable has come a long way, but it's still not independently bussed to the home which means congestion happens a lot more often. Especially if OFG is in a less-populated area, there's not a tremendous amount of incentive for Comcast to fix that particular concern. The actual details are available in RFC 6057 if you're particularly interested, but the short version is that while Comcast almost certainly doesn't explicitly slow HTTP ports, they probably do so indirectly by using an infrastructure that creates bottlenecks that otherwise don't need to exist.
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OldFatGuy: The speed is CAPPED in the standard browser download at 3.5MB/s. It doesn't matter what site you're on. It doesn't matter what time of day, what traffic is like... IT DOESN'T MATTER. Now if your ISP is slower, then yeah, you'll get different speeds based on that type of stuff but they will be LOWER THAN 3.5MB/s.
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OneFiercePuppy: No, OFG, this is just you. And if you keep acting like the problem is out of your hands, you'll never solve it. It's you, and up to you to fix it.

My parents use Comcast and download just fine at 5-6 MB/sec (they've got a 50 Mbps nominal cap) and despite years of effort, I haven't managed to teach them how to do anything *but* download through a browser. I just recently downloaded a game installer from GOG at around 100MBps (I have gigabit internet) through Firefox. Your problems are yours. You want answers, go look at the stuff people have told you but that you've brushed aside. You're wrong. Again. You have this problem, and if you want it fixed, you need to see what you're doing wrong. Hint: it's probably your computer, and possibly even your connection to the world, not you as a person - but it's still your error.
Yeah yeah yeah whatever. Bullshit. Just go away and stay there. I'll do the same for you asshole.
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OldFatGuy: So I got one to work.. sort of (doesn't work as it says on it's site). Still not as convenient (or fast) as DownThemAll was, but workable. See the two screenshots. The first one was downloading the file Ember setup bin1 file (4.0GB file) from here at GoG a few minutes ago. As ALWAYS, max speed is around 3.5MB/s. Then I download it using IDA download manager. Same file. Same site (here at gog). within minutes of each other. About 13.5MB/s.

The speed is CAPPED in the standard browser download at 3.5MB/s. It doesn't matter what site you're on. It doesn't matter what time of day, what traffic is like... IT DOESN'T MATTER. Now if your ISP is slower, then yeah, you'll get different speeds based on that type of stuff but they will be LOWER THAN 3.5MB/s.

If you have fast internet connection (and I know damned well I'm not the only person in the world with a 200Mb/s internet connection) then it doesn't matter what site you go to. Doesn't matter what computer you use (been this way on every computer I've had for years). Doesn't matter what OS you use (been this way from XP to 7 now to 10). Doesn't matter what browser you use (have used at least 4 over this time... all the exact same... somewhere right around the 3.5MB/s mark (give or take .1 or .2 either way). None of that matters. The speed is obviously CAPPED at 3.5MB/s in standard browser downloads (though it could be a USA thing I suppose.. don't know). Then, as soon as you use a download manager... BOOM, then you break the 3.5MB/s barrier. With ease.

And again, I don't get this being the "cap" in the year 2018. In fact, I don't get it being capped at all. WTF? It seems to me that should be up to the individual site rather than all sites everywhere no matter the browser etc. etc. etc. I mean why on earth would GOG want to cap their customers download speeds to 3.5MB/s??? Are they insane???? "Yeah, well we know a lot of our customers that buy our games have real high speed internet access but we'll go ahead and cap them at 3.5MB/s anyway. See how happy that makes them." WTF?

Capture.jpg is using the standard downloader in Firefox. Capture1.jpg is using IDA download manager.

It doesn't make sense. Not in 2018.
Browsers don't utilize multi-segmented downloading, whereas DL managers like DTA do. So get yourself another DL manager that meets your needs.

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Dejavous: your ISP can claim bla bla MBPS that means that they can get to that fast if noone else on their service is connected and your noise/distraction free.
Just like a highway, the more people using it the slower it will become, or it becomes loaded. no matter what site your looking at.
Even "fiber optic" has that issue I'm paying for 100mbps and rarely see 70mbps.

Broadband explained
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OldFatGuy: Again though that's not the issue at hand here. The issue is how download speed is capped in browser (any browser) at 3.5MB/s. Of course speeds vary. No one (that I know of) thinks they don't. Except, you know, when you're downloading something (anything) just using the browser itself (any browser), from any site, when you happen have a blazing fast ISP. Then it doesn't differ much.. it's always 3.5MB/s because that's the limit. (What does that translate to anyway.. about a 30Mb/s connection???)

So if you've got a connection speed of 100 (or 200 like me) it doesn't matter about any of that traffic stuff.. time of day stuff... inclement weather stuff... you're only going to get the 3.5MB/s using the built in browser downloader. You could get even slower if something somewhere was really messed up, but you're not going to get anything faster unless you use a DL manager.

And I just don't get why that is the case in the year 2018. I mean this has been the way it's been for years for me. You would think that "cap" (whatever is causing the cap) would "grow" with time as internet speeds have grown. But no... right now.. tonight.. on this computer.. if I download any file from any site from anywhere in the world, using just browser built into Firefox (or Edge... those are the only two installed on here at the moment), my speed will be 3.5MB/s. The second I add a working download manager... I go from that 3.5MB/s to 10... 20... and sometimes 30MB/s. It just seems the "standard" browser speed should be higher is what I'm trying to say. At least whatever translates to 50Mbps (probably what 6MB/s? 6 would be a lot better than 3.5... though I want my 15, 20, and 30 back LOL.

But as I'm having trouble now with this new version of Firefox to get any download manager to work.. I would LOVE to see 6.0MB/s instead of this damned 3.5. I've gotten spoiled by speed and waiting 19 minutes for a 4GB file was a no go for me. Not when that same file took what, maybe 5 (MAYBE, probably even less than that. I think it used to be roughly a GB per minute on average here at GOG.. even faster on Steam.. which is still the same since you don't download through the browser there and instead download through the client.) minutes before? That's a HUGE difference.

I know I could use Galaxy... but I don't want to. I haven't had to for all the years I've been at GOG and don't want to now. I did used to use GOG's Downloader... and it worked GREAT. But then they stopped supporting it so I decided to find another option... discovered DownThemAll with Firefox and ever since have been happy. But I kept getting these "your connection is not secure" and "this version of Firefox is not secure" message because they fucking "upgraded" Firefox to Quantum (or something or other) and DownThemAll will NOT work with this version. And I have tried 10 different add-ons now and not a single one of them do what DownThemAll did either. Yeah I'm pissed LOL.
I stopped updating Firefox before they made the switch. You can rollback, or get a new browser, which I need to do one of these days.
Post edited March 18, 2018 by richlind33
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OldFatGuy: Makes sense... except for GOG. I can't imagine GOG having such limited bandwidth per client when their business is selling and downloading games.
Well, can someone confirm getting higher download speeds from GOG using a web browser? I can't currently check that as my max download speed at home usually is around 1.2MB/s (10Mbit/s) anyway. I don't recall what kind of speeds I've sometimes gotten at my work for GOG downloads... I guess I've been amazed by the speed if I've ever seen GOG downloads higher than 2 or 3 MB/s.

I wouldn't be surprised if GOG web site downloads did have such limit, while e.g. downloads through Galaxy wouldn't.

Anyway, did you say you have this issue with all web sites? What are some other web sites where you have tested it (ie. downloaded big files from them)? Does it always seem to be the same cap?

EDIT: Ok, so some are apparently seeing higher GOG web downloads then... Maybe it also depends on which GOG download server you happen to connect? As I've said before, years ago I sometimes saw some GOG downloads being limited to around 0.4 MB/s (per download), it was a hit and miss. I don't recall seeing such low limits lately though.
Post edited March 18, 2018 by timppu