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I like the Ys games, Bloodborne, Tokyo Xanadu, Dragon's Dogma, Jade Empire.
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mobutu: imo, Path of Exile is the best atm.
gl
I stopped playing Path of Exile cause they were changing passive skill tree every 3 months. As soon as you get adapted to changes and test few builds, they change everything again and force you to build everything from the scratch. Another reason was orbs but i don't want to go into that topic. I was supporting them through shop cause they deserved it, game is really good but it has its flaws. Anyway, at some point i just gave up. Maybe i'll come back to it some day.
Post edited May 03, 2019 by PainOfSalvation
Pretty boring I suppose:

1: Diablo II
2: Titan Quest
3: Grim Dawn

(ranked by total playtime as well, although the older games have the advantage there!)
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Darvond: Wait a minute, what about Terranigma, Secret of Mana, Soul Blazer, Illusion of Gaia, and such?
Excellent call on Terranigma in particular. I'd definitely classify it as an ARPG (maybe AJRPG if we want to get overly technical). The gameplay is very fun, there's a decent variety in gear for an old SNES title and it has a great, original story. I also remember really enjoying the music, maybe on par with Chrono Trigger. It always seemed like an underrated title in the western market.
Dragon Age: Origins, perhaps?
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LordEbu: Dragon Age: Origins, perhaps?
It's an excellent game; one that I love replaying. But its always seemed more like a traditional RPG masquerading as an ARPG to me.

Edit: Come to think it, it could just be the way I play the game. Every battle is spent almost entirely in tactical view, micromanaging my characters and strategically playing through each encounter.
Post edited May 03, 2019 by demonwyrm
Nox

https://www.gog.com/game/nox
1.) Torchlight
2.) Torchlight II
3.) Titan Quest - Anniversary Edition
4.) The Incredible Adventures Of Van Helsing - Final Cut
5.) Grim Dawn
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Mafwek: Grim Dawn has fucked up balance.
True this. The nemesis monsters and Crucible arena are not balanced at all.
They limit the variety of cool viable builds.
Post edited May 03, 2019 by Wishmaster777
Bought star siege. Couldn't get into it but I respect it as a sci fi diablo game. eh, action rpg. Wish they'd do more of these, like a fallout version would be nice. Xcom version... hell, even some kind of WW2 version would be nice.

I think I spent most time on Diablo 2. Titan quest is fun but I'm struggling in China, my minions aren't exactly holding off those hordes of 'hutts' I'm facing. Grim Dawn is ... unique, if a bit weird.

I heard there were diablo 2 mods that change the gameplay significantly. Curious but I ain't even watched a letsplay on those.
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mobutu: imo, Path of Exile is the best atm.
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Too bad they have turned it into a speed racer. It WAS good.
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Darvond: Wait a minute, what about Terranigma, Soul Blazer, Illusion of Gaia, and such?
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Cambrey: I love these games. I played them many times and I was actually thinking about replaying Soul Blazer, my favorite of the three.
Secret of Mana though... Let's say that I loved the soundtracks.
Tales of Phantasia is also good(epic intro music)
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Kelefane: Darkstone is an underrated one IMO.
This....it has a great(albeit cliched) story, nice randomized levels/some side missions, and other bits and bobs. Plus the music video/song is pretty good.

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joppo: Several good games, I'll concede. Except Diablo3. That thing can die in a dumpster fire and nobody will miss it.

I still have to play GD to but I only hear good things about it. Damn now I'm itching to pull it up in the queue.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: I'd say the Ys games are ARPGs that are as good and/or better than any of the games on the list in the OP.
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joppo: The OP probably forgot to mention they're really into a specific subset of ARPGs of the Hack & Slash variety. (At least that is how I understand the genre breakdown. All of the games mentioned except Ocarina of Time are Hack & Slash. I guess.) Ys games are not part of this subgenre thus they' wouldn't be on the OP's radar.

As for "better" that is highly subjective isn't it? ;)
But you're right they're very good.
Better IS subjective.....which is also what your D3 opinion is. ;)



Such an awesome/funny intro/setup(how he gets to the world initially/etc).
Post edited May 03, 2019 by GameRager
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mobutu: imo, Path of Exile is the best atm.
gl
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Pangaea666: Too bad they have turned it into a speed racer. It WAS good.
Could you elaborate, please?
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Wishmaster777: 1.) Torchlight
2.) Torchlight II
3.) Titan Quest - Anniversary Edition
4.) The Incredible Adventures Of Van Helsing - Final Cut
5.) Grim Dawn
Would never put Torchlights above Grim Dawn, Titan Quest or Diablo.
Grim Dawn, with a considerable lead over all others. The reasons are many: Great build diversity, good art style, good story, great lore, awesome world. DRM-free, good music. Online-playble (optionally). Good developers and updates. Did I mention great build diversity?!? The pacing is great (though the latest expansion, Forgotten Gods significantly damaged this if you use the movement skill augments). Every foe feels present rather than just melting waves (unless you go back in difficulty). It has some rough edges (mainly UI and conveniences), but they've gotten fewer as the game's progressed.

My 2nd best would probably be the original: Diablo 1. The feel, everything about it gets the feel right. Scary. Game play that added to that element (see: spitter monsters.)

I'm thoroughly enjoying Book of Demons right now (an homage to Diablo 1), and it's pretty good. I love its take on gear-skills-items being all treated the same. It's an interesting twist. While it's a light game, it's good fun.

I hated Dungeon Siege. It was bland as fuck, unfun. I hate "use based" progression in games (sorry, dtgreene), and the world was just so void and uninspired. I played Torchlight 1 once through and found it to be much like Blizzard had already become by that time: a well-polished turd. It was so finely balanced, so "perfect" that it was boring, dull, and devoid of charm or fun. (It also was unplayble without respec mods, but I'll give it that as a relic of its time.) I never did get to TL2, since, by the time it came out DRM-free, I had other gaming interests.

I have the Van Helsing/Victor Vran games in my library, and might get to them some day. As for Titan Quest -- I enjoyed it once (plus original expansion), but its pacing was off with long periods of empty walking, and too slow upgrades, and excessively imbalanced choices between the different "classes". I liked the lore and monster design though.

POE and D3 can't be included in a list. They're not games. They're online storefront services that take the disguise of a game.

EDIT: I didn't include my short appraisal of Diablo 2. I enjoyed it, but not as much as many others. The game got wrecked by a few bad decisions: excessive death penalties for XP, EXTREME XP costs to level (because of having the ladder...), all those "closed" only features (because of having the closed online play...). Basically, I regularly gave up sometime in Act 2 Nightmare, which is when it truly became "rush to next boss, repeat, rush to next boss, repeat". The game was better before "skill synergies" significantly eliminated builds (doubly so when sorcereress' lightning mastery was made to clone fires' rather than reducing mana cost of spells to make up for the damage range/recast needs). And then runewords broke it even more with a lot of characters becoming very same-y based on them. Oh, and monster immunities wrecked the game even more making a few narrow builds necessary.

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TARFU: Nox
I never played Nox when it was new-ish, and, when I tried to go back to it, I couldn't get into it from dated UX issues. Maybe I'll try again sometime.
Post edited May 03, 2019 by mqstout
... (forum gave me a double-post)
Post edited May 03, 2019 by mqstout