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NekoiNemo: Stands for a reason that nobody in that world would ever even for a millisecond consider a standard 2D recording as evidence of anything. So it's ultimately your word against Yoshinobu's.
Well, corpo politics kicks in at that point; worth noting assassination is a fairly common means of gaining promotion in the upper echelons of the corps. If pro-Yoshinobu factions had power then it wouldn't matter if he'd walked in and shot his father in front of the annual company meeting, recorded it as a braindance and released a single called 'I shot my dad'. If anti-Yoshinobu factions were in power then they'd accept an unsigned letter in crayon that said 'Yoshinobu is a murderer, trust me on this'. Arasaka is largely above the law in Night City, and most of it's upper management would be more interested in how they could use the situation to their advantage than any notion of justice.
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soma_m3ch: and you have implants which, can ostensibly induce another cyborg to commit suicide...

BUT YOU CANT RECORD THE ASSASSINATION OF THE MOST IMPORTANT MAN ON EARTH?

as it occurs in front of you, literally centimeters away?!?!?!?!??!?!

in what world?

ffs
So, in Cyberpunk, it's not about the eyes, it's about the memory in your head to keep the things your eyes see. Basically it's an eye mod, not the eyes themselves that allow you to record and keep things you see.

That's been since CP2020. So in this case you just simply don't have the recorder function, 2d or 3d, to share it. Ironically it's one of the weird thing in this game that they actually got canon.
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soma_m3ch: and you have implants which, can ostensibly induce another cyborg to commit suicide...

BUT YOU CANT RECORD THE ASSASSINATION OF THE MOST IMPORTANT MAN ON EARTH?

as it occurs in front of you, literally centimeters away?!?!?!?!??!?!

in what world?

ffs
I think you can record that, not sure if V and Jackie were recording it though since it was unexpected. I also don't think you've reached the point about Braindance. However (which is most important) I do not think you completed "Nocturne OP55N1" at the time of writing of that message where you might hear things you might really not like. As far as for blackmailing top suite in Arisaka...please... V might disappear faster that you would think.
Post edited December 19, 2020 by Doom3r
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ast486: I don't think a 'normal' eye is going to have the braindance hardware built in.
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Archonsod: There's no real hardware necessary. A braindance is pretty much a recording of the brain, you don't really need special hardware for it, simply the ability to record the brain activity. Cyberware is handy because it tends to do this as part of normal operation, but you can achieve the same results via external brain scans. Specialist equipment is only needed if you want to do something more elaborate, such as have more than one perspective.

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I mean in real life, I can pull out a phone and record an hd video that's 30 seconds long without a problem, so why can't a cybernetic eye built into a cybernetic network in your body?
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Archonsod: The camera and the eye aren't strictly speaking the same. In tabletop cyber optics could be fitted with a digital camera as a (fairly expensive) option. Viktor was already being remarkably generous by fitting V's implants for free; it's unlikely he also chucked in the optional extras to boot (although IIRC you can't actually have digital targeting and a digital camera at the same time).

PS. He's not the most important person on earth... just of that company.
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Archonsod: Which is one of the largest and most powerful corporations on Earth ...
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CraigN: You have to remember this is a projection of tech in the 80s into 2020, and then 50 years past that - technology took a different route.
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Archonsod: It's not so much 80s tech; one of the things Mike has done with Cyberpunk Red is update the technology side of things. It is an alternate timeline though where technology didn't develop on the same path as it did in reality. One other thing to note though is Cyberpunk is somewhat post apocalyptic; the global economy crashed in 94, the US fell apart in 96, there's been several plagues caused by bioweapons and several occasions where differences have been settled via the dropping of sizeable rocks from orbital mass drivers. The world didn't really start rebuilding until the 2040s.

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ast486: Given the story talks about nanite technology, there's probably self repair function built into everything too.
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Archonsod: Not via nanites. They're not all that popular after the Carbon Plague; possibly one of the reasons Arasaka were keen to keep that biochip well hidden.
Thanks, this is kind of what I was trying to get at but not with as good of an explanation. I appreciate you chiming in and correcting me.
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CraigN: Y'all are all examining this with the lens of the tech you have now and projecting that to 2077.

You have to remember this is a projection of tech in the 80s into 2020, and then 50 years past that - technology took a different route.

Notice how despite the fact you have super enhanced eyes and lots of visual overlays, everyone still has a regular phone for making calls?

Why can't a mobile phone chip also just be implanted in my head by that logic?

Because the technology of this timeline diverged differently. That's the answer. Your expectations based on how we developed things doesn't imply or fit with the way the world developed in Cyberpunk's verse. Just because it seems intuitively obvious it *should have* in their timeline because it seems a natural progression in ours, doesn't mean that it was intuitive for their development.
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ast486: You can still adjust a game to make the expectations fit better for convenience.

Btw... how do you know that your 'phone' is an actual phone and not just a projection in your eye?
Except for the radio call, I've never seen my guy hold anything besides a gun. (outside cutscene)
You could, but then you're diverging from the source material, so at what point do you stop being faithful for the sake of narrative convenience? At your personal suspension of disbelief shouldn't be the benchmark.

You literally see other people use regular ass phones multiple times in the game. Wakako almost always has one in her hand when you visit her in person.
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CraigN: You literally see other people use regular ass phones multiple times in the game. Wakako almost always has one in her hand when you visit her in person.
Yeah, because she's buying used cars on Ebay :P
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NekoiNemo: Stands for a reason that nobody in that world would ever even for a millisecond consider a standard 2D recording as evidence of anything. So it's ultimately your word against Yoshinobu's.
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Archonsod: Well, corpo politics kicks in at that point; worth noting assassination is a fairly common means of gaining promotion in the upper echelons of the corps. If pro-Yoshinobu factions had power then it wouldn't matter if he'd walked in and shot his father in front of the annual company meeting, recorded it as a braindance and released a single called 'I shot my dad'. If anti-Yoshinobu factions were in power then they'd accept an unsigned letter in crayon that said 'Yoshinobu is a murderer, trust me on this'. Arasaka is largely above the law in Night City, and most of it's upper management would be more interested in how they could use the situation to their advantage than any notion of justice.
Still have to say, the source material this game is built upon is amazing. You're describing a shift in corporate ownership as one would describe a shift in political regime.
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CraigN: You could, but then you're diverging from the source material, so at what point do you stop being faithful for the sake of narrative convenience? At your personal suspension of disbelief shouldn't be the benchmark.

You literally see other people use regular ass phones multiple times in the game. Wakako almost always has one in her hand when you visit her in person.
You also see people use the "holo" which is the built in phone that you use in the game. For example, Delemain isn't linked to your op and Jackie calls the car and tells it to be ready.

Rogue uses it to request info and to order drinks in Afterlife.

So I think it actually comes down the the specific character's preference. Mercs would almost always use a holo. Same with Corporats, street kids that have done work for specific fixers or gangs...

Pretty sure the visual is for the player's sake and not actually V.
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CraigN: You could, but then you're diverging from the source material, so at what point do you stop being faithful for the sake of narrative convenience? At your personal suspension of disbelief shouldn't be the benchmark.

You literally see other people use regular ass phones multiple times in the game. Wakako almost always has one in her hand when you visit her in person.
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cmwinchell: You also see people use the "holo" which is the built in phone that you use in the game. For example, Delemain isn't linked to your op and Jackie calls the car and tells it to be ready.

Rogue uses it to request info and to order drinks in Afterlife.

So I think it actually comes down the the specific character's preference. Mercs would almost always use a holo. Same with Corporats, street kids that have done work for specific fixers or gangs...

Pretty sure the visual is for the player's sake and not actually V.
There are some scenes where you are specifically talking to a holo of a person that is calling you... rogue after jonny date for example.
That girl who leave and gives you her appartment too when you go there after she leaves.


I think the character chooses it based on situation and has nothing to do with the player.

If I wanna call someone on discord and have a voice call, I can do that.
If I want to call someone on a video capable client, I can do both text and voice.