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and you have implants which, can ostensibly induce another cyborg to commit suicide...

BUT YOU CANT RECORD THE ASSASSINATION OF THE MOST IMPORTANT MAN ON EARTH?

as it occurs in front of you, literally centimeters away?!?!?!?!??!?!

in what world?

ffs
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soma_m3ch: and you have implants which, can ostensibly induce another cyborg to commit suicide...

BUT YOU CANT RECORD THE ASSASSINATION OF THE MOST IMPORTANT MAN ON EARTH?

as it occurs in front of you, literally centimeters away?!?!?!?!??!?!

in what world?

ffs
I mean, the writer could come up with an elaborate explanation for why you couldn't. Or you could just understand that the entire plot is created out of thin air, and the purpose of the plot is to first and foremost deliver a pleasurable narrative, and not a narrative free from any plot holes. But I understand you're not being harsh in your criticism.
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soma_m3ch: and you have implants which, can ostensibly induce another cyborg to commit suicide...

BUT YOU CANT RECORD THE ASSASSINATION OF THE MOST IMPORTANT MAN ON EARTH?

as it occurs in front of you, literally centimeters away?!?!?!?!??!?!

in what world?

ffs
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a2055: I mean, the writer could come up with an elaborate explanation for why you couldn't. Or you could just understand that the entire plot is created out of thin air, and the purpose of the plot is to first and foremost deliver a pleasurable narrative, and not a narrative free from any plot holes. But I understand you're not being harsh in your criticism.
ah yes. the pseudo-intellectual response with the passive aggressive snide.

lol. if this is you, the writer, then lemme just say. yeh this bit is shit.

for the sake of creative argument. the story COULD have gone down the route of say, releasing the recorded scene as a BD and then had the ridicule of the net simply state it was a very very clever and yet very distasteful fake.

THEN, dare i say, an agent approaches you to, idly, on the whim that it is true. and you set forth the story and mechanisms that craft the narrative creating a truth that cannot be simply digitized and synthesized...

and the 'what is real' story would begin. they did it on Ghost in the Shell.. and the simpsons, i think.

or could just be lazy... and say 'things happened real fast and i couldnt press record on my phone quick enough'

oh wait.

the joke continues.

in this 'future world'. folks have digitized personas on satellites, and so ostensibly... because... only the corps have the ability to recording everything! so then, of course T-bug wasnt record anything. Nor did have Dex have 'cover your ass' backups of those recordings... no no.. nothing whatsoever, because...

wait for it.... deus ex machina!

the writer's best friend!

you can almost tell this entire story was written up before drones were popular.

hell, my friends had 3D printers making parts for them, on their own, at the comfort of their own desks, five years ago

it would be humorous and kind of embarrassing if it werent now mostly cringe

i do so enjoy the attitude of 'how dare you ask questions'. 'your gripes and opinions are meaningless, peon!'

and other musings.
Post edited December 16, 2020 by soma_m3ch
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a2055: I mean, the writer could come up with an elaborate explanation for why you couldn't. Or you could just understand that the entire plot is created out of thin air, and the purpose of the plot is to first and foremost deliver a pleasurable narrative, and not a narrative free from any plot holes. But I understand you're not being harsh in your criticism.
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soma_m3ch: ah yes. the pseudo-intellectual response with the passive aggressive snide.

lol. if this is you, the writer, then lemme just say. yeh this bit is shit.

for the sake of creative argument. the story COULD have gone down the route of say, releasing the recorded scene as a BD and then had the ridicule of the net simply state it was a very very clever and yet very distasteful fake.

THEN, dare i say, an agent approaches you to, idly, on the whim that it is true. and you set forth the story and mechanisms that craft the narrative creating a truth that cannot be simply digitized and synthesized...

and the 'what is real' story would begin. they did it on Ghost in the Shell.. and the simpsons, i think.

or could just be lazy... and say 'things happened real fast and i couldnt press record on my phone quick enough'

oh wait.

the joke continues.

in this 'future world'. folks have digitized personas on satellites, and so ostensibly... because... only the corps have the ability to recording everything! so then, of course T-bug wasnt record anything. Nor did have Dex have 'cover your ass' backups of those recordings... no no.. nothing whatsoever, because...

wait for it.... deus ex machina!

the writer's best friend!

you can almost tell this entire story was written up before drones were popular.

hell, my friends had 3D printers making parts for them, on their own, at the comfort of their own desks, five years ago

it would be humorous and kind of embarrassing if it werent now mostly cringe

i do so enjoy the attitude of 'how dare you ask questions'. 'your gripes and opinions are meaningless, peon!'

and other musings.
I think the "lore" reason for this is that making a brain dance requires special hardware... not that it makes it any better but it makes a little more sense if you realize this is an 80's look at the future. While being able to take photographs with your cybernetics as you do your cellphone makes sense today the 80's was more of a individual gadget for everything.

I do agree though... anyone can make a brain dance so why doesn't V already have the hardware, slot in a shard, record the event... blackmail is a very lucrative prospect.
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malikhis: I think the "lore" reason for this is that making a brain dance requires special hardware...
It doesn't, just a chip to save the BD to. Though consider what the assertion is here - you're booking into a hotel fraudulently so you can illegally break and enter into the penthouse suite which just happens to be booked out by 'the most important man in the world'. You're in communication with a remote netrunner who's hacking their way through both the hotel and corporate security, and you intend to steal a top secret prototype so valuable that the most important man in the world has hidden it in a concealed safe within said penthouse. V's going into this with a BD chip to record the experience why precisely? He's worried there won't be enough incriminating evidence at the scene that the NCPD boys might need some extra help?

While being able to take photographs with your cybernetics as you do your cellphone makes sense today the 80's was more of a individual gadget for everything.
It'd make as much sense as fitting a celluloid camera to a modern mobile phone. You can record a braindance, why would you still care about the ability to take regular old video footage?
I don't think a 'normal' eye is going to have the braindance hardware built in.
It's literally just a military targetting aid and threat assessment thing, with a hookup to the local networks for retrieving perp profiles.

It does seem odd that I can't do a bit of recording though.
I mean in real life, I can pull out a phone and record an hd video that's 30 seconds long without a problem, so why can't a cybernetic eye built into a cybernetic network in your body?

Pretty big plot hole if you think about it.....

PS. He's not the most important person on earth... just of that company.
Post edited December 18, 2020 by ast486
Y'all are all examining this with the lens of the tech you have now and projecting that to 2077.

You have to remember this is a projection of tech in the 80s into 2020, and then 50 years past that - technology took a different route.

Notice how despite the fact you have super enhanced eyes and lots of visual overlays, everyone still has a regular phone for making calls?

Why can't a mobile phone chip also just be implanted in my head by that logic?

Because the technology of this timeline diverged differently. That's the answer. Your expectations based on how we developed things doesn't imply or fit with the way the world developed in Cyberpunk's verse. Just because it seems intuitively obvious it *should have* in their timeline because it seems a natural progression in ours, doesn't mean that it was intuitive for their development.
Post edited December 19, 2020 by CraigN
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CraigN: Y'all are all examining this with the lens of the tech you have now and projecting that to 2077.

You have to remember this is a projection of tech in the 80s into 2020, and then 50 years past that - technology took a different route.

Notice how despite the fact you have super enhanced eyes and lots of visual overlays, everyone still has a regular phone for making calls?

Why can't a mobile phone chip also just be implanted in my head by that logic?

Because the technology of this timeline diverged differently. That's the answer. Your expectations based on how we developed things doesn't imply or fit with the way the world developed in Cyberpunk's verse. Just because it seems intuitively obvious it *should have* in their timeline because it seems a natural progression in ours, doesn't mean that it was intuitive for their development.
You can still adjust a game to make the expectations fit better for convenience.

Btw... how do you know that your 'phone' is an actual phone and not just a projection in your eye?
Except for the radio call, I've never seen my guy hold anything besides a gun. (outside cutscene)
Post edited December 19, 2020 by ast486
Take usb and shoot at it. For sure it will be in working condition...
Post edited December 19, 2020 by mythdragon
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mythdragon: Take usb and shoot at it. For sure it will be in working condition...
You get shot lots of times and your implants still work.

Given the story talks about nanite technology, there's probably self repair function built into everything too.
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ast486: I don't think a 'normal' eye is going to have the braindance hardware built in.
There's no real hardware necessary. A braindance is pretty much a recording of the brain, you don't really need special hardware for it, simply the ability to record the brain activity. Cyberware is handy because it tends to do this as part of normal operation, but you can achieve the same results via external brain scans. Specialist equipment is only needed if you want to do something more elaborate, such as have more than one perspective.
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I mean in real life, I can pull out a phone and record an hd video that's 30 seconds long without a problem, so why can't a cybernetic eye built into a cybernetic network in your body?
The camera and the eye aren't strictly speaking the same. In tabletop cyber optics could be fitted with a digital camera as a (fairly expensive) option. Viktor was already being remarkably generous by fitting V's implants for free; it's unlikely he also chucked in the optional extras to boot (although IIRC you can't actually have digital targeting and a digital camera at the same time).

PS. He's not the most important person on earth... just of that company.
Which is one of the largest and most powerful corporations on Earth ...
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CraigN: You have to remember this is a projection of tech in the 80s into 2020, and then 50 years past that - technology took a different route.
It's not so much 80s tech; one of the things Mike has done with Cyberpunk Red is update the technology side of things. It is an alternate timeline though where technology didn't develop on the same path as it did in reality. One other thing to note though is Cyberpunk is somewhat post apocalyptic; the global economy crashed in 94, the US fell apart in 96, there's been several plagues caused by bioweapons and several occasions where differences have been settled via the dropping of sizeable rocks from orbital mass drivers. The world didn't really start rebuilding until the 2040s.


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ast486: Given the story talks about nanite technology, there's probably self repair function built into everything too.
Not via nanites. They're not all that popular after the Carbon Plague; possibly one of the reasons Arasaka were keen to keep that biochip well hidden.
Post edited December 19, 2020 by Archonsod
Actually the quest were you learn about the braindance mechanic specifically says you DO need special hardware.

The regular optics are part of a network in your body; the fact that you can send someone a file and view it means there's storage, memory, etc.
So it could record some video or whatever too; much easier then recording everything.
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mythdragon: Take usb and shoot at it. For sure it will be in working condition...
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ast486: You get shot lots of times and your implants still work.

Given the story talks about nanite technology, there's probably self repair function built into everything too.
I mean eye implant is a neuro technology and it use brain as part of it, and you literally were shoot dead.
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ast486: Actually the quest were you learn about the braindance mechanic specifically says you DO need special hardware.
You need special hardware to *edit* a braindance (and for that matter to view one). Not to record it - consider how Evelyn got the recording in the first place (see also The Hunt). From 2020, a braindance is literally just a record of your brain (thoughts, feelings and external stimuli) recorded on a standard information chip via your cybermodem.. Playback is a bit trickier; in 2020 it simply used the existing Net interface (which was a kind of virtual reality to begin with) to replay the record, but since they dropped the Net interface in Red we now have BD readers. I'd speculate it's a similar principle though - use the BD reader to block out current external stimuli and replay the recording, using the cyberware to trick the brain into thinking it's current stimuli.

So it could record some video or whatever too; much easier then recording everything.
You're already recording everything as a basic function of how the cyberware works. That's probably why the digital camera is an optional (and expensive) extra - from the perspective of someone in 2077 what you're recording is more akin to a cut down braindance than a film as such, as a result it's probably something of a niche interest at best.
Umm... "deepfakes"? They are already a problem in real 2020, and CP's 2020 has tech about 200 years away from what we have today (like "braindance" and semi-sentient AI), and game is set 57 years after that. Stands for a reason that nobody in that world would ever even for a millisecond consider a standard 2D recording as evidence of anything. So it's ultimately your word against Yoshinobu's.