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Here is a teaser for you. My favorite race is perhaps Wood Elf. That being said I am not so found of game default skin color for Wood Elves (and I do not want black lol) so I changed my Wood Elf skin color to white which is my skin color in real life. I do not give a shit about leftist movement.

However Dungeons Dragons is such a variety of races as I have played pen and paper why limit yourself to play only human? Nothing wrong choosing human though if you like it then do it.

I am a white maie myself but as who plays this game example Asian woman and what race they choose in D&D or BG3 I am completely fine with it.

Lol in pen and paper sessions I have never come against race discussion though some jokes have been made about little halflings or gnomes.
Post edited December 26, 2020 by Stargate55555
Lol...the title here makes no sense...;) Please link me to a BG3 developer on record saying something as racist as that...;) Only an idiot would say something like that.
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Stargate55555: Here is a teaser for you. My favorite race is perhaps Wood Elf. That being said I am not so found of game default skin color for Wood Elves (and I do not want black lol) so I changed my Wood Elf skin color to white which is my skin color in real life. I do not give a shit about leftist movement.

However Dungeons Dragons is such a variety of races as I have played pen and paper why limit yourself to play only human? Nothing wrong choosing human though if you like it then do it.

I am a white maie myself but as who plays this game example Asian woman and what race they choose in D&D or BG3 I am completely fine with it.

Lol in pen and paper sessions I have never come against race discussion though some jokes have been made about little halflings or gnomes.
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People are simply playing alter egos of themselves. Which means most players of BG3 are probably white. In addition, they also tend to play beautiful people. Which means, they will probably not choose to be a small Halfling or fat, but rather tall and slender or muscular. They will not play green skinned, have scars or devilish horns, but rather freckles.

In the third or fourth playthrough they might also test a Halfling. Or a green skinned Orc.
Post edited January 06, 2021 by GR11
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GR11: People are simply playing alter egos of themselves. Which means most players of BG3 are probably white. In addition, they also tend to play beautiful people. Which means, they will probably not choose to be a small Halfling or fat, but rather tall and slender or muscular. They will not play green skinned, have scars or devilish horns, but rather freckles.

In the third or fourth playthrough they might also test a Halfling. Or a green skinned Orc.
This is not what the dev said was happening tho. He complained that people were not choosing *anything*. But were instead leaving the defaults unchanged.
When I customize a character (hardly ever though), I don't broadcast my choices. It's personal I guess. Nearly all the time I just go with all the defaults. Even at my extremely advanced age I know it has absolutely nothing to do with actual game play. I'm all for playing a game with NO customization!
Post edited January 07, 2021 by Keith_I2
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Keith_I2: When I customize a character (hardly ever though), I don't broadcast my choices. It's personal I guess. Nearly all the time I just go with all the defaults. Even at my extremely advanced age I know it has absolutely nothing to do with actual game play. I'm all for playing a game with NO customization!
The whole point of early access at GOG is for Larian to get feedback on all all the parts. If no one tries them then there will be more bugs when they release the game.
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GR11: People are simply playing alter egos of themselves. Which means most players of BG3 are probably white. In addition, they also tend to play beautiful people. Which means, they will probably not choose to be a small Halfling or fat, but rather tall and slender or muscular. They will not play green skinned, have scars or devilish horns, but rather freckles.

In the third or fourth playthrough they might also test a Halfling. Or a green skinned Orc.
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alcaray: This is not what the dev said was happening tho. He complained that people were not choosing *anything*. But were instead leaving the defaults unchanged.
There is an easy test for that - change the default character to a horned devil with the next patch and see what happens :)) Seriously though it is obvious that people will put either somebody similar to them or a character they deem beautiful as protagonist. Like GR11 said earlier.
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Keith_I2: When I customize a character (hardly ever though), I don't broadcast my choices. It's personal I guess. Nearly all the time I just go with all the defaults. Even at my extremely advanced age I know it has absolutely nothing to do with actual game play. I'm all for playing a game with NO customization!
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alcaray: The whole point of early access at GOG is for Larian to get feedback on all all the parts. If no one tries them then there will be more bugs when they release the game.
True but with all due respect to Larian there is zero obligation on gamers to "try" or "not try" anything as they have paid for the game, not got it free as beta testers. Any feedback is purely out of the goodwill of one's heart with this approach.
Post edited January 08, 2021 by midrand
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midrand: There is an easy test for that - change the default character to a horned devil with the next patch and see what happens :)) Seriously though it is obvious that people will put either somebody similar to them or a character they deem beautiful as protagonist. Like GR11 said earlier.
The reason this test will never be done is that Larian is interested in putting out a good game and they don't care a particle for the agendas of posters on the internet.

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midrand: True but with all due respect to Larian there is zero obligation on gamers to "try" or "not try" anything as they have paid for the game, not got it free as beta testers. Any feedback is purely out of the goodwill of one's heart with this approach.
Obligation... weird thing to bring up. That must be another bullet point in your manifesto.
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midrand: There is an easy test for that - change the default character to a horned devil with the next patch and see what happens :)) Seriously though it is obvious that people will put either somebody similar to them or a character they deem beautiful as protagonist. Like GR11 said earlier.
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alcaray: The reason this test will never be done is that Larian is interested in putting out a good game and they don't care a particle for the agendas of posters on the internet.

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midrand: True but with all due respect to Larian there is zero obligation on gamers to "try" or "not try" anything as they have paid for the game, not got it free as beta testers. Any feedback is purely out of the goodwill of one's heart with this approach.
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alcaray: Obligation... weird thing to bring up. That must be another bullet point in your manifesto.
Unfortunately in today's world it doesn't look like you can just "not care". Social justice is looming around the corner.

Obligation - yes, the way you presented early access is by defining it as a beta version (point of early access is to get feedback, if noone tries then you will get a bad game (more bugs). The relationship between early access buyers at full price and Larian is different as customers have paid a full retail price for the game. So even if nobody submits any bug reports, I would still expect Larian to iron out all the bugs (within reason) themselves. Whereas with a classic beta test gamers get the unfinished product for free - but in return they have a legal and/or moral obligation to actively provide feedback. That is the key difference to me.
in this case the point of early access = $

Gog feedback isn't tracked by default only Steam... they may have added Stadia by now as well

to be clear,I'm fine with giving them my $ and for the record I like the small races; Dwarf [tech medium], halfling and Gnome
I usually pich the rase that has the best racial bonuses in larian games and rpg games in general. For instance I played DOS2 mostly every time with an elf and mostly sebille or undead with fane cause they just have the best special and racial abbilities. I could care less which race they were. People today are just stupid with all their racial comments about this race or that other race...who the fuck cares what race you are...i dont give a shit about all the races equaly and if someone pushes the matter to my face i give even less shit about him. Stop all this fucking fighting over races everywhere...whites are now supposedly all nazis, blacs have their black lives matter , and i am sure every race has some shit to throw out these days to make it seem how they have been stomped over by everyone and how everyone should feel sorry for them. Fuck everyone who even resorts to that...we are all being stomped on by the few heads on top regardless of race and people fighting each other over shit like this insted of fighting people that are actually fucking us over will result in us allways being fucked over regardless of race...!!

And don't get me started on gender wars whis is even dumber on an even higher level!
Post edited February 02, 2021 by TheFonzz
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TheFonzz: I usually pich the rase that has the best racial bonuses in larian games and rpg games in general. For instance I played DOS2 mostly every time with an elf and mostly sebille or undead with fane cause they just have the best special and racial abbilities. I could care less which race they were. People today are just stupid with all their racial comments about this race or that other race...who the fuck cares what race you are...i dont give a shit about all the races equaly and if someone pushes the matter to my face i give even less shit about him. Stop all this fucking fighting over races everywhere...whites are now supposedly all nazis, blacs have their black lives matter , and i am sure every race has some shit to throw out these days to make it seem how they have been stomped over by everyone and how everyone should feel sorry for them. Fuck everyone who even resorts to that...we are all being stomped on by the few heads on top regardless of race and people fighting each other over shit like this insted of fighting people that are actually fucking us over will result in us allways being fucked over regardless of race...!!

And don't get me started on gender wars whis is even dumber on an even higher level!
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The point is that this is fantasy and people don't want real world politics in their free time. But there are people who just try to politicize every thing - games, books, movies, ice cream, flirting, going to the beach. Everything is ideology, everything is politics.

Don't get me wrong: You can discuss political or ideological themes in games or movies. But you have to do it without trying to force your viewpoint on the players or even trying to 'educate' the players. If you do that, they'll simply stop playing your game.

The best thing to do is to let the players choose themselves: Do they want to play good or evil? Do they want to play supremacist, racist Drow (Woah, black racists!) or haughty, arrogant high Elves (Woah, white racists!)? Do they want to persecute sorcerers with their paladin order or attack cities with their druids?
The point is that many people are lazy and leave things as they are so they can start playing faster. The other point is that people keep necroing old threads that already say (many many times) everything they want to say.
I always play as white and always will. I do not like playing black characters so I always choose white. I also always play as human, I do not care about other races too much. Geez, I am a top-notch racist.
Post edited February 05, 2021 by EchoOfMidgar
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EchoOfMidgar: I always play as white and always will. I do not like playing black characters so I always choose white. I also always play as human, I do not care about other races too much. Geez, I am a top-notch racist.
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I often play Elves. Once I also played a Halfling, but of course I prefer to play tall, cool and admired characters.

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alcaray: The point is that many people are lazy and leave things as they are so they can start playing faster. The other point is that people keep necroing old threads that already say (many many times) everything they want to say.
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There are 3 weeks between the post of The Fonzz and ussnorway. But I agree that we could let this thread rest, I think most things have been said.
Post edited February 05, 2021 by GR11