Posted January 11, 2020
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LootHunter: And how do you know that YOU are not engaging in confirmation bias? Note that so far you've just dismissed Ames suicide story on the basis of it simply not conforming to your narrative. I can tell you about James Shupe who was misdiagnosed with gender disphoria by "progressive" psychologists and made transitioning to "non-binary" that obviously didn't help his emotional condition. Luckily he didn't killed himself, but does it really excuse people who made him think that transitioning would solve his problems? Or other psychologists, who could challenge diagnosis, but were too afraid of being called "transphobic"?
Or what about 7-year old in Texas, whose parents don't agree on what gender their child is? Guess, who thinks the child is a boy and who - a girl.
You ask for some sort of statistical research? But what about YOU? Do you have any research that backs your claim of LGBT+whatever people being depressed and suicidal because of "hatered and bigotry" and not because they are confused and frustrated, their brains being screwed by "progressive" propaganda?
Because there's no such thing as a skepticism bias, or if there is it's not a fallacious position. I don't respect wild speculation based one or a small handful of events. If there were a scientific study or something that showed what you were talking about was real and it had made the rounds through peer review then that'd be one thing; but it's so easy for anyone of any political belief to scrape together a dozen or so stories and just declare they prove them right. It's not impressive in the slightest. Or what about 7-year old in Texas, whose parents don't agree on what gender their child is? Guess, who thinks the child is a boy and who - a girl.
You ask for some sort of statistical research? But what about YOU? Do you have any research that backs your claim of LGBT+whatever people being depressed and suicidal because of "hatered and bigotry" and not because they are confused and frustrated, their brains being screwed by "progressive" propaganda?
And on top of that I'm aware that in many of the cases of things you're talking about there is wild amounts of misinformation and misrepresentation of what happened because these events are being used to reinforce preexisting political beliefs, not being used as the basis for them. For example that 7 year old child case from Texas, I just googled it quickly to refresh my memory of the events and as of last October the parents both share custody, the child is not undergoing any chemical or surgical changes, and to quote the judge "The child appears comfortable as a male, female, or gender nonspecific". And you think this is some big thing because dad says boy mom says girl? If I wanted to I could just as easily speculate that this dad is a transphobe and that the child should be separated from someone who seems hellbent on turning a private matter into a media circus.
I really cannot hammer home enough, in my opinion you and people like you have preexisting beliefs based on bigotry and a disgust or fear of people different from yourselves; and you'd rather be validated in your concerns than live in a world where there is no problem and you were just getting worked up over nothing.
As for gay and trans people and to paraphrase your position "how do you know that people are committing suicide from bullying and not just because they're fucked in the head and progressivism did that" to which I could point to a few things.
Yes, I do have studies that back me up on that.
https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/127/5/896.short
"RESULTS: Lesbian, gay, and bisexual youth were significantly more likely to attempt suicide in the previous 12 months, compared with heterosexuals (21.5% vs 4.2%). Among lesbian, gay, and bisexual youth, the risk of attempting suicide was 20% greater in unsupportive environments compared to supportive environments. A more supportive social environment was significantly associated with fewer suicide attempts, controlling for sociodemographic variables and multiple risk factors for suicide attempts, including depressive symptoms, binge drinking, peer victimization, and physical abuse by an adult (odds ratio: 0.97 [95% confidence interval: 0.96–0.99])."
Now I'm gonna lay out a little prediction here: this is a dishonest point that you don't really care about. You'd gloat about it all day if you had any scientific backing of your position; you asked for studies from me hoping/thinking I wouldn't be able to supply it so that I would shut up on that point, and now that I do have scientific evidence to that point you're going to drop this and act like I never said it or it doesn't really matter.
LootHunter: BS. ALL characters in Overwatch are LGBT+-. And Tracer does mention her crush in the game. And yes, "progressives" WERE stupid enough to praise and support Blizzard up until China debacle.
wouldn't know I'm not a fan of the series, I don't really believe you but whatever. This isn't really a substative point because it doesn't really matter and i don't know what you mean by progressives, for all I know that refers to a handful of random tweets or something. Reminds me of the doom eternal fiasco LootHunter: Again, BS. There are plenty of games that have character sexuality unmentioned at all and thus character could be gay. There are even games that have just subtle references or sexuality being mentioned, but doesn't play a role in the game. However, "progressives" always complain about those games not being enough, until devs crank up character being gay to such a degree that it feels like they shove sexuality down audience thorat. Which of cause results in backlash.
clearly you aren't following what I'm trying to say. I'm well aware there are plenty of games that don't have any sexual elements to them at all; but where if there is a game that forces the player to identify with a character that has a sexuality and they don't have any choice in things than there would be a significant controversy if there was a male on male relationship. Non-binary or trans relationships would be even more of a turn off to gamer culture, and this all for the record being no more explicit or crude or whatever than an equivalent heterosexual romance, or to some lesser extent a female on female romance. I'm not talking about shoehorning in a gay relationship into Bioshock or something like Dragon Age where you can choose who to be romantically interested in, including nobody. More something like Fallout 4 where you are forced to start the game in a heterosexual marriage or something like Red Dead Remption 2 where the main character is a heterosexual male.
There's not a problem with either of those games having a heterosexual relationship on their own, but the fact that there is to my knowledge no major games that have similar homosexual relationships being portrayed because it'd be so upsetting to the gamer culture is my point. You don't see a massive gay gamer backlash every time they're forced to identify with a character who is heterosexual, so unless it comes down to homophobia and bigotry there's no reason why the inverse couldn't be presented at least sometime.
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