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Razorfist just ranted on it too. Looks like I'll be moving past this entry.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/BnEhruDrBfA/
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126246: Honestly the criticism about the "subverting male power fantasies" comment seems pretty fair considering Bloodlines isn't a "male power fantasy" for your character so long as you're playing as a female who has all the same powers, clans, and many of the same opportunities as a male character would. Along with that, the actual world sure as hell wasn't a "male power fantasy" considering that two of the four hub areas are controlled by women (Therese/Jeanette Voerman for Santa Monica and Ming Xiao for Chinatown).

That is unless they're talking about how sexualized a large chunk of females are which is true but even then that usually had a purpose. It's used as either a way to reflect the depravity of the world your in or in the case of someone like Velvet's character, is literally part of the "Toreador" clan and her looks are intentionally used as a way of using seduction to get other people to do work for her. Having less of an aspect of what made Bloodlines 1 so good seems like a downgrade in terms of world building.
Not really. Let me explain an example. It can bcome a real fuster cluck really quickly with complex topics, so I'll stick to a simple one.

Take like, Marcus Phoenix, the scarred, grizzled *jacked* guy. If you replaced him with a hot woman as the main character it would *still* be a male power fantasy. Why? Because the bodies of the guys in game are what men think is attractive for men, not what women think is attractive on men. You can also see this with the old GoW games, for example (an issue it compounds by going out of the way to focus on womens nudity whenever it gets a chance.)

What does this mean in the context of Bloodlines? Well a lot of things potentially, but focusing purely on the physical because it's the simplest example, perhaps there are less muscular pretty boys as a build type, or a muscular but not-grizzled type. Perhaps you can be a jacked butch lady.

When feminists talk about the "male power fantasy" they are talking about a broader context, and the fact that you can play the game as a woman doesn't necessarly change that context. (this is a mistake feminists often mistake, using technical terms to refer to a problem that end up misleading people as to what they actually mean.)
So far I'm only seeing that you can set weirdo pronouns for your character, but just above they also say you have to choose between male and female, which by itself triggers those who pick weird pronouns for themselves.
Seems balanced to me for now.
EDIT : nevermind, I've seen razorfist's video, didn't know about the takeover, there are good reasons to be worried.
Post edited March 25, 2019 by SPTX
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Cara Ellison was responsible for getting Hotline Miami 2 banned in Australia as well putting all that girl power nonsense in Dishonored 2, causing the game to tank sales-wise and getting the series canned as a result. there is a good reason to be worried. I can only hop that Mitsoda does his duty to protect the story that him and Troika worked so hard to write and gain recognition for.
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126246: Honestly the criticism about the "subverting male power fantasies" comment seems pretty fair considering Bloodlines isn't a "male power fantasy" for your character so long as you're playing as a female who has all the same powers, clans, and many of the same opportunities as a male character would. Along with that, the actual world sure as hell wasn't a "male power fantasy" considering that two of the four hub areas are controlled by women (Therese/Jeanette Voerman for Santa Monica and Ming Xiao for Chinatown).

That is unless they're talking about how sexualized a large chunk of females are which is true but even then that usually had a purpose. It's used as either a way to reflect the depravity of the world your in or in the case of someone like Velvet's character, is literally part of the "Toreador" clan and her looks are intentionally used as a way of using seduction to get other people to do work for her. Having less of an aspect of what made Bloodlines 1 so good seems like a downgrade in terms of world building.
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Forum_Pirate: Not really. Let me explain an example. It can bcome a real fuster cluck really quickly with complex topics, so I'll stick to a simple one.

Take like, Marcus Phoenix, the scarred, grizzled *jacked* guy. If you replaced him with a hot woman as the main character it would *still* be a male power fantasy. Why? Because the bodies of the guys in game are what men think is attractive for men, not what women think is attractive on men. You can also see this with the old GoW games, for example (an issue it compounds by going out of the way to focus on womens nudity whenever it gets a chance.)

What does this mean in the context of Bloodlines? Well a lot of things potentially, but focusing purely on the physical because it's the simplest example, perhaps there are less muscular pretty boys as a build type, or a muscular but not-grizzled type. Perhaps you can be a jacked butch lady.

When feminists talk about the "male power fantasy" they are talking about a broader context, and the fact that you can play the game as a woman doesn't necessarly change that context. (this is a mistake feminists often mistake, using technical terms to refer to a problem that end up misleading people as to what they actually mean.)
>Because the bodies of the guys in game are what men think is attractive for men
What? Even attempting to apply that "physical appearance" logic (which is frankly bullshit to begin with), it doesn't even work considering that most of the women clothing options for the protagonist in Bloodlines was on par with the male ones (fully clothed) and the exceptions (Nosferatu and Malkavian) also matched with the male versions (Nosferatu males had full gimp gear like the females and the Malkavian options can be associated with that clan being fucking batshit insane).

Also the Brujah females were pretty buff last time I remember. Also there already were "pretty boys" that weren't muscular such as the default male Toreador and Ash. Nothing about Bloodlines 1 was a "male power fantasy" and the fact that you can't even cite a specific example from that game but rather from a game completely unrelated indicates little understanding of Bloodlines.
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Forum_Pirate: snip
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126246: snip
You're arguing against an assertion I didn't make.

Did I say appearance specifically what she was refering to in Bloodlines one?

No, I didn't, because I don't know.

I focused on examples of the sort of thing feminists mean when they say "male power fantasy" *in other games,* explicitly kept it very narrowly focused on 1 specific thing, and expliciitly said it gets really complicated really fast when you start examining games as a whole. and then at the very end I gave examples of what changes might look like if you applied those specific critisizms to bloodlines so you could see what I mean, regardless of wether you think they're justified or not.
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Demitrix2k: Id suggest just looking up these words and see how most people define them sensibly, you interpreting "subverting male power fantasies" seems quite different from my view, and apparently from others in this conversation, its a common trope of men saving the day, and sometimes getting a woman as part of the bargain.
examples; superman, spiderman, batman, wolverine, ironman, captain america you can think of the rest

And dismissing, abandoning or even making fun ot it is not neccesarily an attack on men, id encourage you to take a different look at these "buzzwords" from unfamiliar perspectives.
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Glexn: It doesn't matter what it actually is, they're not going to look anywhere they can actually learn. People who complain about left wing politics in this way aren't interested in what it is. They believe in nonsensical caricatures of the left that they get from pseudo-intellectuals like Jordan Peterson, or YouTube idiots like Sargon. They believe that this cartoon left is trying to destroy men, and in some cases even collapse Western civilisation. They believe the same way some nuttier Christians believe in the devil. They get click-farmed for outrage so effectively that there's not much you can do.
Naive one,

Jordan Peterson surely has way more knowledge then most of the pseudo lefts (they arent left at all. Real lefties would not even spit on this political islam defending and man/woman attacking idiots.

And about this game: There will be a character included which is gay, black and a muslim. And he will attack all of this "centrists" (called Rudi). So if you think that this "game" is anything else then some stupid SJWs fantasy then you are even more dumb then I could imagine.

So this game is only for sexists, racists and religious fanatics from the pseudo left side of the political spectrum. If someone is dumb enough to spend money on such a horrible piece of democratic and freedom hating POS he must be a proud member of the SJW army!

And no, there arent any pronouns other then male or female, cause thos are the only 2 biological genders avail for humans. And thos or biological facts. Start to live with it.
Post edited March 26, 2019 by madeira12
Had this on my wishlist. Not anymore. There seems to be no franchise that is safe from the SJW cult.
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Glexn: It doesn't matter what it actually is, they're not going to look anywhere they can actually learn. People who complain about left wing politics in this way aren't interested in what it is. They believe in nonsensical caricatures of the left that they get from pseudo-intellectuals like Jordan Peterson, or YouTube idiots like Sargon. They believe that this cartoon left is trying to destroy men, and in some cases even collapse Western civilisation. They believe the same way some nuttier Christians believe in the devil. They get click-farmed for outrage so effectively that there's not much you can do.
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madeira12: Naive one,

Jordan Peterson surely has way more knowledge then most of the pseudo lefts (they arent left at all. Real lefties would not even spit on this political islam defending and man/woman attacking idiots.

And about this game: There will be a character included which is gay, black and a muslim. And he will attack all of this "centrists" (called Rudi). So if you think that this "game" is anything else then some stupid SJWs fantasy then you are even more dumb then I could imagine.

So this game is only for sexists, racists and religious fanatics from the pseudo left side of the political spectrum. If someone is dumb enough to spend money on such a horrible piece of democratic and freedom hating POS he must be a proud member of the SJW army!

And no, there arent any pronouns other then male or female, cause thos are the only 2 biological genders avail for humans. And thos or biological facts. Start to live with it.
Well, there's "it".
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As a person who identifies as non-binary, genderless post-sex, trans person, I will finally be able to use my proper pronoun "xe" (read: xee). Thank you, libtard developers. I have been waiting for this my whole life.
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nate1222: Razorfist just ranted on it too. Looks like I'll be moving past this entry.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/BnEhruDrBfA/
Although Razorfist pointed out some very troubling facts, his message was to wait, hope and see. This could all be cover against the marxist games media and the game is actually really good.
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Demitrix2k: Id suggest just looking up these words and see how most people define them sensibly, you interpreting "subverting male power fantasies" seems quite different from my view, and apparently from others in this conversation, its a common trope of men saving the day, and sometimes getting a woman as part of the bargain.
examples; superman, spiderman, batman, wolverine, ironman, captain america you can think of the rest

And dismissing, abandoning or even making fun ot it is not neccesarily an attack on men, id encourage you to take a different look at these "buzzwords" from unfamiliar perspectives.
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Glexn: It doesn't matter what it actually is, they're not going to look anywhere they can actually learn. People who complain about left wing politics in this way aren't interested in what it is. They believe in nonsensical caricatures of the left that they get from pseudo-intellectuals like Jordan Peterson, or YouTube idiots like Sargon. They believe that this cartoon left is trying to destroy men, and in some cases even collapse Western civilisation. They believe the same way some nuttier Christians believe in the devil. They get click-farmed for outrage so effectively that there's not much you can do.
Mentions people that complain about left wing politics don't care about what it actually is.

Calls Jordan Peterson a "pseudo-intellectual".

Might want to look up hypocrisy in the dictionary. Either that or actually pay attention to what Jordan Peterson actually says, as opposed to the "leftist view" of him. Come to think of it, there are likely lots of people on the right who get the wrong idea about him as well, so you have company among the very people you decry.

Most people have no problem with equal opportunity - it makes perfect sense and should be pursued in any society, as the more level the playing field is, the better chances people have to elevate themselves - and the more competition, the better society will be in all respective fields.

The problem with the extreme left is now that most people agree equal opportunity is a good thing, and it's implemented in most places (at the very least legally, throughout most of the Western world) - this isn't good enough for them for some reason. They want to force equality, not via providing equal opportunities for all, but via retarded things such as quotas.

Unlike true equal opportunity (where the best person wins, irrespective of race/gender/ethnicity/etc.), quotas effectively give a certain race/gender/ethnicity/etc. an advantage over others - which is ironically what the previous system did, and what the original (old-school) people fighting for true "social justice" actually fought so hard to change (since it was obviously unfair and doesn't allow the best to win due to discriminatory barriers). How anyone can support fighting discrimination with more discrimination is mind-boggling and the height of stupidity, and anyone supporting anything remotely like it is effectively undoing the hard work that's been done in this field.

So in essence, anyone supporting things like "quotas" is effectively supporting making all professions that it applies to less effective, thereby reducing the competitiveness and quality of the workforce - which in essence could quite well lead to destruction of society, albeit a very slow, draw-out destruction that will take many decades to eventuate.


A gaming related example: the "controversy" around Kingdom Come: Deliverance because Vavra wouldn't put a totally-historically-inaccurate and out-of-place black guy in a game that takes place in Bohemia in the middle ages. The arguments provided by many so-called "journalists" for why this should be done speaks volumes about their views, and their stupidity.

*** OT RANT OVER

As for the game - I'll see what it's like. I don't care what pronouns they add (or don't add) - I'm sure at the least it'll be similar to the previous one - in that no matter whether you're male or female, you can be a kick-ass warrior, a manipulator, or a seducer (or a combination thereof).

I do note that the previous game did actually provide advantages to female vampires with respect to seduction though. Which makes sense since most potential "victims" in the game were male (not including the "blood dolls" where it's the opposite). I'm guessing they'll probably add more male blood dolls and/or gay seduction options - which is OK, options are good, it's not like players have to use them.

I'm actually more worried about the supposed "conflict" between "technology" and "tradition", because that argument can easily become really lame. Hopefully it'll be more about the invasion of privacy that tech trends have been heading towards, or possibly idiots walking into traffic while looking at their phones...
Post edited March 26, 2019 by squid830
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madeira12: Naive one,

Jordan Peterson surely has way more knowledge then most of the pseudo lefts (they arent left at all. Real lefties would not even spit on this political islam defending and man/woman attacking idiots.

And about this game: There will be a character included which is gay, black and a muslim. And he will attack all of this "centrists" (called Rudi). So if you think that this "game" is anything else then some stupid SJWs fantasy then you are even more dumb then I could imagine.

So this game is only for sexists, racists and religious fanatics from the pseudo left side of the political spectrum. If someone is dumb enough to spend money on such a horrible piece of democratic and freedom hating POS he must be a proud member of the SJW army!

And no, there arent any pronouns other then male or female, cause thos are the only 2 biological genders avail for humans. And thos or biological facts. Start to live with it.
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lordhoff: Well, there's "it".
Well if someone has an operation that removes their genitals entirely - I guess that would make them neither male nor female? So people with no genitals probably want some kind of neutral moniker that's not "it" - although it would make the most sense since "it" already exists, so why not use it?

I'm honestly not sure exactly why anyone would want to do this, and at any rate I doubt it would be even remotely common - but who knows? Maybe when humans squash into denser urban environments, the desire to procreate shrinks to such a level that someone would actually go to the effort to ensure that they have no gender, and maybe that then becomes more common?

*Modded, please refrain from posting anything related to discrimination.
Post edited March 31, 2019 by Ashleee
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lumin: Had this on my wishlist. Not anymore. There seems to be no franchise that is safe from the SJW cult.
Same for me, this is a big red flag.

It's also a stupid business decision, the people complaining about lack of [equality,gender,gay,religion,etc] are generally not the people who will actually buy and play the game.
Jordan Petersion is a weird right-wing apologist/christian supremisist. Read one of his books. Or look up videos of other people reading his books.

He is really not left wing. At best you could say he leans libretarian, but multiple people have cornered him on specific issues and he quickly backs down because he knows there's no good answer. (For example, he was arguing against government anti-descimination laws and someone asked him if he though black people didn't deserve protection from anti-descrimination laws either and he changed his stance on those real quick)

If you want to see "the left," look at like, David Pacman.


Also, not generally no. Outrage marketing is a thing. Someone says something that triggers the free speech warriors, free speech warriors go on a tirade that makes them sound racist or sexist, and now more people here about it *and* they hear about as being something people they don't like hates, which makes it an automatic curiosity. We litterally just watched something kinda like this play out with Captain Marvel.