I guess ill join islam during this summer then, beach season is coming up and i'm getting kinda chubby.

Huh? I would say that someone who NEVER went to mass after the age of adulthood is pretty clear evidence that he wasn't a Catholic. He was raised a Catholic because his mom was one. But that doesn't make him a Catholic.

I wouldn't be 100% sure about that. I know quite a lot of people who claim to be Catholic but barely (if ever) go to the mass. You know, those "non-churchgoers".
Anyway, I guess there wouldn't be a whole article about it if it was crystal clear. Not that it really matters IMO, actually, I'll just be agnostic about that one ^^

if you're not a church-goer, you're not a catholic, since the catholic doctrine specifically requires going to mass.

people can say they believe whatever they want, at the end of the day, their actions will reveal if they truly believe it or if they've just deluded themselves.

it's not a hard concept. here you have a document that is the basis of your entire belief. you purposely do something that goes against it. you're a heretic. simple, really.

see, i don't believe in any of this stuff so i can be objective about it. someone who wants to be catholic but doesn't follow the tenets of catholicism will spin things to appear like he's still a catholic.

hitler was definitely not catholic. he claimed to be catholic to gain the favor of the predominantly christian populace.

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The attack on Afghanistan was due to the fact that the Taliban (those back stabbers) was actively supporting Al-Qaida, offering safe harbor to hide and train.

I would have told them give up Osama of be ready for some nukes. We no longer fight real wars but bullshit around. Winning hearts and minds is for chumps. Either surrender or die. That is how wars have been fought all through history. When there has been a decisive winner the peace tended to last much longer.

Yeah, good thing no one ever has premarital sex! Oh wait... right, everyone does that and their societies still work. My bad, I was confused by how inane that was.

You mean like a surrogate mother? You know they volunteer and get money for it, right? It's not technically selfish if everyone agrees.

Wow. Just wow.

This thread became awful when it became an "attack the Muslims!" thread. I hope you realize that you're being equally hateful right now.

I'm picturing Hitler in a confessional. It's kind of a catch-22 situation, since he'd die of old age before being able to repent of everything he did :)

1. Contraception. Case closed. This is the 21st century. And people will always want children, and families. It's a basic human thing - we don't need laws telling us we need to only have sexual relationships to start families. How many women do you know that don't love babies and don't eventually want one? It's innate.

2. An extremely inaccurate and homophobic generalization of gay men. Even if they were having sex with random other gay men they're not harming anyone else in doing so - but many have stable and exclusive relationships. Gay couples also often adopt, they don't just suddenly stop being gay and impregnate a woman. They are actually attracted to other men, it's not just them taking the easy route for lots of sex - considering how taboo homosexuality is, in part due to the nonsense about it spread by religion, it's not really the easy route at all. David Cross explains this in a pretty amusing way here -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEKpufAeTi0&t=1m50s

3. Humans are animals, science has made this absolutely, crystal fucking clear, no matter how much some people want to deny it. We're more intelligent than most or maybe even all others, yes, but animals nonetheless. Bisexuality is a natural occurrence as is homosexuality, and we're not all so sex craved and/or hormonally out of control that we can't handle normal social interaction with people of a gender we're attracted to. Straight men and women handle this every single day, why should it be so much more difficult for homo and bisexuals? We use body language that gives people the hint when we're looking for more than a friend, and of course we can talk to eachother to discern this as well.

Drugs - You can be a responsible adult recreational user. People can be educated enough to decide for themselves when they're old enough. If people don't know what drugs are bad for them or addictive by the time they're adults, their schools and/or parents are complete and utter failures and that's the real problem. We don't need to be babysat until we die, it's our life, it's our body - same reason I'm absolutely for euthanasia when the patient wishes it. Some drugs are even beneficial and/or medicinal despite being illegal and/or taboo, when taken responsibly, such as cannabis.

Oh my how this thread has mutated since it started.

Only the internet can take thanking a dev for the removal of a couple of textures and mutate it into a battle of ideologies with the future of mankind at stake.


*dons asbestos suit and waits to get pounced on by both sides*

Way to twist my words? show me single text in every reply i have here where i bashed gays, and i saw the gay thread on the forums here btw, plenty of people were bashing gays and insulting them personally (which is lame), did you see me join them at that thread? whatever Islam views of gays it doesn't give us the right in islam to bash anyone even if the person were the worst human being on earth, Islam disagree with plenty of stuff it doesn't mean we can go and bash everything Islam disagree with.

I said ODDHERMIT have issues with himself plenty of times why only quote only my last reply and make it to appear as something it's not ? Oddhermit have a conflict HIM VS RELIGION and his views, this what i was talking about since the VERY beginning, he is not looking for an explanation/questions/answers he is just looking for hatred and spreading nonsense biased views, he HIMSELF can't accept a lot of facts about Islam and from his last reply i just found out he is hardcore about a lot of points related to gays so i understood finally why he is hating/bashing islam.

I never attacked anyone, i was only defending myself when the first place i shouldn't be attacked yet people like you now calling me bigot over things i didn't say or bash my religion over things that it doesn't do etc we have seen it all in this thread, and gay bashing does not make anyone a bigot, Gay is not a religion lol bashing it (i did not) does not make one a bigot

People should seriously give this thread a rest, everytime i leave someone quote me totally out of contest and i have to reply showing the pure lie and cheap shots against us for no reason.

People bring point after point against islam and failing hard, time to give up buddies because generation after generation people tried and failed, thread went from

Muslims are bombers/attackers to Fuck islam/muslim to muslims do that and this (when they don't and unheard of for muslims lol...) to islam was spread by wars and killing (Nothing but a myth historical wise and against solid facts by the west themselves) to NONE-MUSLIMS trying to teach MUSLIMS what they do/say when it's nothing but made up stuff lol etc every time people here make a complete tool of themselves and failing instead of running away in shame (they have none to begin with, no human who insult others for no reason have any) they come back and bring another point and failing again, Give it a rest people, go play games or do something fun because the world is moving against the direction you want it so deal with it, People are moving toward islam on big numbers and daily basis, your hatred only make people read/think of islam and once they find it's truth they trust facts over your hateful opinions

Funny how haters here dream of a world of tolerant and peace how about you stop hating like a total nut for a start? you can't discuss with someone saying you are a bomber/terrorist/desert man/etc and spread million lie about him and his religion and accept anything in return or "peaceful" impact due such actions

PEACE

ok, first of all, it's either one of us sucks at english language or you just pulled off a 180 right there.

second, this thread started as people attacking islam in general, and i said then, i'll say it again, i supported you in that. but after a point, it just became muslims, christians, agnostics, atheists, whatever; propagandizing their system of beliefs/philosophies, calling it fact, and bashing everyone who did not agree. you, as the OP, did nothing to prevent that, on the contrary you just fanned the flames. i warned you to keep cool, do not resort to name calling and personal attacks, pages ago. i thought you were mature and level headed enough, in retrospect that was very naive of me.

so here it goes, i do not believe in any religion whatsoever. i am agnostic, which makes me a "hater" in your eyes i guess. tho i was raised in a muslim family, have friends who are believers, even engaged to one. now, do you dare come here and blabber your pseudo-religious drivel to the muslims i know; because believe me when i say the amount of ridicule you'd have to endure will be of epic proportions. sorry to break it to you but you do NOT represent the whole muslim communities of the world. religion itself is between man and god by definition, so KEEP IT TO YOURSELF. your beliefs are not the only truth...

Come on... If any religion had serious proofs we wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place...

I think you're seriously "victimizing" yourself here. Sure I didn't read the whole thread, but as far as I remember, in all posts since I started following the thread, criticisms weren't targeting a specific religion but simply all religions. Or specific things that someone else said.
Of course you'll always manage to find a few stupid people who, because the most famous terrorists are Muslims, will think that all terrorists are Muslims, but I don't think I read that in this thread.

Edit: mkay, apparently according to eCos's post I missed some Islam-specific action, but I still think it's been over for a while now.

There are "terrorist scoitaels", and for sure there are "the order of flamming rose" on this forums. Both equally mad, madder on the order side.

it's been over for a loong while really. the thing degenerated to a much uglier beast now. when someone rages terrorist this, suicide bombing that, an ounce of common sense is enough to brush it off as nonsense. now it became a pissing contest, to put it simply :)

I'm a muslim too, and like the OP those rugs didn't bother me much as they are more of a cultural thing rather than being a religious sample ,,what I'm having problems with is those people taking issue with CDPR for doing something out of respect to a group of people they may not even like but they treated them with respect nonetheless ...how can anybody take issue with that ?