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The Witcher 2I'm a muslim and i signed to say Thank you CDP for the Patch(473 posts) (473 posts) 
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Posted June 05, 2011
Feeling sorry for our Muslim users for getting their religion offended so much in this thread. But I guess asking for tolerance on the internet - or any other place in the world - is just pointless these days.

I feel sorry even more because I think that generally the hate started when the terrorist movements started to incorporate Islam into their actions, especially using the "Jihad" word and changing its meaning. And so the peaceful part of the Islamic world got sucked into this mess we are having today. And you know - most of our population likes stereotypes, because they make their miserable lives easier. Muslim - terrorist; Jewish - greedy; Polish - thief; American - dumb; and they can go on with their eat/shit/sleep day pattern.

There are murderers, rapists and other types of evil people among all cultures and religions, even among the agnostic/atheist religion. I know happy and respectful Muslim marriages (1 wife only!) and I know some Christians that beat their wives right after they come back from their Sunday's mass.

This thread was started with good intentions and turned out infortunate. Pity.
Posted June 05, 2011
The thread with the biggest number of posts in The Witcher 2 forum is a religious debate.
Screw logic!
Posted June 05, 2011
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gregski: Feeling sorry for our Muslim users for getting their religion offended so much in this thread. But I guess asking for tolerance on the internet - or any other place in the world - is just pointless these days.

I feel sorry even more because I think that generally the hate started when the terrorist movements started to incorporate Islam into their actions, especially using the "Jihad" word and changing its meaning. And so the peaceful part of the Islamic world got sucked into this mess we are having today. And you know - most of our population likes stereotypes, because they make their miserable lives easier. Muslim - terrorist; Jewish - greedy; Polish - thief; American - dumb; and they can go on with their eat/shit/sleep day pattern.

There are murderers, rapists and other types of evil people among all cultures and religions, even among the agnostic/atheist religion. I know happy and respectful Muslim marriages (1 wife only!) and I know some Christians that beat their wives right after they come back from their Sunday's mass.

This thread was started with good intentions and turned out unfortunate. Pity.
I totally agree with you.

I found their arguments most logical and eloquent, even when disagreeing amongst themselves.

Those that chose to attack on the basis of perceived intolerance, did so in an intolerant manner, yet spoke of logic!

My apologies, as well, for far more brings us together in a philosophical realm than can ever be sullied in the ignorant one.
Posted June 05, 2011
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tahirahmed: @Oddhermit

Your post is one thing but the way you insults a Prophet (regardless of religion) clearly shows what kind of tolerance you have for other religions. This is the main difference between you and us, we always show respect to other religions and never use them in stupid manner to prove ourselves right.
Tolerance and respect are different things. I have no compulsion to respect any religion, especially one that thinks I deserve eternal suffering for not joining it - why should I respect such an idiotic and hateful belief?

I'm tolerant of religious people, I may even respect them for their non-religious actions, but I see no reason to respect their religious beliefs which are well deserving of ridicule. I'm not going to treat their superstitions as sacred.
Posted June 05, 2011
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tahirahmed: @Oddhermit

Your post is one thing but the way you insults a Prophet (regardless of religion) clearly shows what kind of tolerance you have for other religions. This is the main difference between you and us, we always show respect to other religions and never use them in stupid manner to prove ourselves right.
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Oddhermit: Tolerance and respect are different things. I have no compulsion to respect any religion, especially one that thinks I deserve eternal suffering for not joining it - why should I respect such an idiotic and hateful belief?

I'm tolerant of religious people, I may even respect them for their non-religious actions, but I see no reason to respect their religious beliefs which are well deserving of ridicule. I'm not going to treat their superstitions as sacred.
Tolerance and respect ARE different things. And while you are not compelled to respect anything, it is customary practice, within civilized societies, to extend a certain amount of respect toward other individuals and their beliefs even if it doesn't agree with your own.

As for tolerance, who is anyone to define anything for another individual, unless you assume Godlike or governmental powers unto yourself.
Posted June 05, 2011
I don't particularly care if it's customary or not, and I don't think it should be customary to respect such beliefs. Maybe I'd be a little more sympathetic if they weren't such insane and harmful beliefs, but they are.
Posted June 05, 2011
I just think its pretty ridiculous that a game developer has to change a texture of a rug in a video game, so that some muslims dont get offended...

some of the plate armors in the game have crosses in them, i guess they should remove them to avoid offending christians
Posted June 05, 2011
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Oddhermit: I don't particularly care if it's customary or not, and I don't think it should be customary to respect such beliefs. Maybe I'd be a little more sympathetic if they weren't such insane and harmful beliefs, but they are.
The customary respect part is toward the individual, and the belief part is as an extension of the individual.

The radical elements of any group are what the media make most visible, but they do not represent the whole.

I can understand where radical elements, anywhere, might give you a call to arms, but they are groups of individuals as well, and they are the ones that I believe you have issue with.

These people were just saying thank you, and got bombarded.
Posted June 05, 2011
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Freaky_Freddy: I just think its pretty ridiculous that a game developer has to change a texture of a rug in a video game, so that some muslims dont get offended...

some of the plate armors in the game have crosses in them, i guess they should remove them to avoid offending christians
The game developer didn't 'have' to do anything, they chose to. What the hell difference does it make anyway? Game plays the same, doesn't it?
Posted June 05, 2011
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Senteria: Interesting. Well I can understand CDPR didn't want to offend anyone with their game. The fact they removed it is probably more out of good will and respect for the religion than fear of threatening. It's just a kind gesture. I don't understand all the fuss about it.
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eisberg77: Cause there are people who think religion is a joke and does not deserve any kind of respect, so they will fuss about anything if religion has anything to do with any decision made.
That's just stupid in my opinion. If you believe in something, you have the right to do so. Religion can certainly help people in a good way. I'm not very religious but I still respect religion.
Posted June 05, 2011
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Oddhermit: I don't particularly care if it's customary or not, and I don't think it should be customary to respect such beliefs. Maybe I'd be a little more sympathetic if they weren't such insane and harmful beliefs, but they are.
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Dischord: The customary respect part is toward the individual, and the belief part is as an extension of the individual.

The radical elements of any group are what the media make most visible, but they do not represent the whole.

I can understand where radical elements, anywhere, might give you a call to arms, but they are groups of individuals as well, and they are the ones that I believe you have issue with.

These people were just saying thank you, and got bombarded.
Belief in heaven and hell doesn't represent the whole?
It seems a core belief, not something like Leviticus which Christians are more divided on.

As for the bombardment, this is the internet, you can't expect to say anything related to religion without it becoming a debate. I think it's a good thing that people's beliefs are openly challenged. Atheism is definitely on the rise among young people and I think the internet has played a big part in helping them escape the doctrines of their parents or at least see that there are alternatives and they're not alone in their doubts.
Posted June 05, 2011
I would call myself a skeptic rather than an atheist. I am skeptical of people. I don't give respect, respect is earned. How could you not be skeptical of people when you read history? How could you not ponder their motivations?

And billions of people are brought up to believe something which has no evidence in support. And these ideas were thought up by people living thousands of years ago in deplorable conditions, tripping balls on drugs with no basic understanding of the world or the universe at all. I like that they passed down some morals and virtues and scared people into following them sometimes..The power players had to control people so they could remain in power and have children with hundreds of women. And for a stable society, people needed some fear in their lives.

But nowadays, do we need that? You can be nonreligious and a humble, virtuous, honorable human. And I'd say that it means more that way because you aren't being that way for fear of judgment after death.
Posted June 05, 2011
Again alot of posters seems to forget that CONTENT has to be removed in favor for Muslim players which they are not supposed to play the game to start with.

It's like from now on ALL beer will be removed of it's alcohol content to have Muslims to enjoy beer.

As i said couple of times i have nothing AGAINST religion nor I'm racist. It's seems that these Muslims players used that to troll the subject and turned it tot a flame war.

It's also similar LIKE removing NUDITY and matured content in the game in favor to appeal to wider audiences ie. KIDS. If CDPR going to do that.. then TELL me if you will be annoyed?

It's the SAME logic applies here although it's just a minor content (rug/carpet design) but the same logic applies.
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Posted June 05, 2011
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Dischord: The customary respect part is toward the individual, and the belief part is as an extension of the individual.

OK, I think I understand now.

It is not so much about Islamic belief, but any belief.

You are just another demagogue disparaging the beliefs of others, in favor of your own.

What then of your previous arguments? Going for the audience, trying to isolate one group playing upon the ignorant elements of another?

Sad part is, it works too often.

The radical elements of any group are what the media make most visible, but they do not represent the whole.

I can understand where radical elements, anywhere, might give you a call to arms, but they are groups of individuals as well, and they are the ones that I believe you have issue with.

These people were just saying thank you, and got bombarded.
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Oddhermit: Belief in heaven and hell doesn't represent the whole?
It seems a core belief, not something like Leviticus which Christians are more divided on.

As for the bombardment, this is the internet, you can't expect to say anything related to religion without it becoming a debate. I think it's a good thing that people's beliefs are openly challenged. Atheism is definitely on the rise among young people and I think the internet has played a big part in helping them escape the doctrines of their parents or at least see that there are alternatives and they're not alone in their doubts.
Posted June 05, 2011
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archaven: It's also similar LIKE removing NUDITY and matured content in the game in favor to appeal to wider audiences ie. KIDS. If CDPR going to do that.. then TELL me if you will be annoyed?
Two things.

First, you posted incredibly insensitive and offensive things that were the impetus for this thread to spiral out of control. Don't blame others when you were the first one flaming. It turned into an all-out flame war where everyone began to say rude things, but you were clearly the first, so don't pass off the blame.

Second, say I wrote a song filled with profanity and it turned out that the tune closely resembled a popular hymn without my knowledge. I would change that once I learned of it, because it would be making a statement that I didn't intend it to make. Is that censorship? No, of course not. It's a mistake, and it would promptly be fixed.

If they removed all of the swearing and drugs and nudity I'd be pissed. I'd be mad on a level you wouldn't even believe, because there's literally nothing more offensive to me than betraying one's artistic vision to pander to others. This is simply not the same thing, and your oversimplifications are doing no one any good.
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