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Posted April 19, 2013
Survey Results: See what the future of GOG.com holds!

A few weeks ago we asked you to fill out a survey about some of the possible new areas of gaming that GOG.com might move into in the future. We also promised that we’d share the results with you, and they are below. Before we get to that, though, we did want to let you know what these mean to us:

1. We remain committed to bringing you guys the best games from all of gaming history, on both PC and Mac. This means that while we’re exploring ways to bring you new games, we also are committed to bringing classics back to life as well. This year alone has seen Omikron, System Shock 2, the Leisure Suit Larry series, Strike Commander, and even Daikatana!

2. DLC is a controversial issue, but something that has been in gaming—by another name—since the very early days. You guys seem to understand that it’s not possible for us to sign new games with all of their DLC (before it is even made) bundled in, and it looks like you’re willing to either buy DLC or not as you find it interesting. As part of our continual efforts to improve the user experience on GOG.com, we will be looking at new, better ways to present DLC in our catalog as well.

3. Selling episodic content before the “season” is finished is also something we’re looking forward to bringing you in the future, and you seem to agree.

4. Season passes—for both DLC and for episodic content—clearly have a mixed perception here. Season passes—if we do offer them—are something that we’ll approach with deliberation to make sure that we’re confident that the content that is promised will all be delivered.

5. Finally, we have somewhat conflicting information on the persistent multiplayer features; when discussed in a very abstract fashion (as it was in the first survey), it’s a very clear “no.” When mentioned in a specific game that we’ve shown you, it’s an equally clear “yes.” What we’re going to be sure of, going forward, is that we’re very careful that any game that we bring you guys with persistent multiplayer features will be at least as offline-friendly as Planetary Annihilation is.

One of the defining characteristics of GOG.com is that the games that we sell have no DRM; this isn't going to change, and we will continue to evaluate the games that we bring to you to make sure that they're not only great games, but great games that we think will fit in well with how we do business.

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Thank you for responding to our surveys in such large numbers. GOG.com would be a mere shadow of itself if it wasn't for its incredible, open, friendly, and active community--that is you!
Post edited April 19, 2013 by G-Doc
Posted April 20, 2013
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Cormoran: How often does this actually happen though? Every Telltale game I've bought was finished.

Also how is this any different to the many "full" games that sequel bait yet never see a sequel?
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zlep: Actually it's pretty common in adventure games, and not uncommon in indie RPGs. It's just that end buyers don't see much of these games at the moment, because their main selling options are on the developer's website. Once they're finished and compiled, the options open up, and buyers generally buy the whole game. eg. the Telltale games (available episodically on their own site, then released in whole-game edition to disc, GOG, and several other points of sale). Current ones would include The Journey Down, Shadows On The Vatican, Cognition and The Walking Dead.

The primary difference to "full" games that feature unfinished stories with no sequel is the length. Episodes are frequently about two hours long - many reviews complain about short length, that the episodes feel like only a piece of a game, or lack of storyline cohesion. They also tend to be a bad value proposition - the compiled whole game usually retails for significantly less than the sum of the parts, and the higher price points of whole games tend to allow steeper discounts. For instance, to equal the current Telltale sale if the games were in episodic form, episodes would have to be sold at 75-90 cents each. That's unlikely, even on GOG.

It all sounds a bit negative, but it isn't necessarily a bad system. Comics, manga and television are all successfully distributed in serial form prior to the release of cheaper, compiled editions. Creators can pick up money as-they-go, and fans get to see frequent chunks of what they like, without year-long waits. As with everything else in the gaming industry, the people with less patience end up paying more, and subsidizing those who wait. It's very economically sound, and the same reason why releasing several smaller DLC modules is so much more profitable than releasing an expansion pack.
Oh I know about the whole episodic system, my questions were more aimed at mistermumbles' concern that these episodic games might go unfinished.

From my experience with Telltale they get finished and even if they didn't it'd be a similar situation to bigger single release games that purposely sequel bait and then don't release a sequel, either way you end up with the same unfulfilled feeling of not having finished the story.

Hope that clears it up. :)
Posted April 20, 2013
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Cormoran: From my experience with Telltale they get finished and even if they didn't it'd be a similar situation to bigger single release games that purposely sequel bait and then don't release a sequel, either way you end up with the same unfulfilled feeling of not having finished the story.

Hope that clears it up. :)
We have Bioforge here and nobody seems to complain...
We can't be sure Alan Wake will get a sequel \ any kind of a closure.
Nothing new - and I'm happy those two games are on GOG, even if one of them will never get a closure and the other we can't be sure about.
Posted April 20, 2013
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P1na: GOG is already waging war regarding DRM, it's a hard position to keep I'm sure. Certainly, they could stand up in arms agains DLC as well, and that could be epically awesome (I don't like them that much myself). However, don't you guys think that opening another war front is a bad idea? Why not prove that new releases work without DRM, establish that fact clearly for all to see, and only then move on to the next issue?
No. Anti-drm is one thing that made GOG success. By allowing DLCs and preorders of beta games (Omerta, Eador2), GOG is downgrading its respect of its consumers, what had made it grow.

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JMich: if you don't like DLC, don't buy it, but do not attempt to deny me the option of buying it myself.
What is missing is a warning from GOG against DLCs. Something like: "Beware, this game may have paying DLCs".
So we could buy other games, which will have no DLC*, or all for free. Without making the difference, there is no respect on the consummer as GOG does not care.

An expansion is not a "DLC", even it can be a downloaded content. If it were, it could be like saying that a simple key is a "DRM", even this simple key is technically helping digital right management. These word problems are for we use the double-talk of editors.
Post edited April 20, 2013 by ERISS
Posted April 20, 2013
I understand that nowadays games are published with tons of DLCs, people often wish to participate in alphas/betas of games, there are episodic games etc. GOG can't change it and I get it, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. Especially when I as a player am restricted by game creators/publishers and forced to wait and pay more to experience a whole game.

What worries my is:
-- Nobody defined what a 'newer' game is. If said newer game has already been published as a complete/goty edition with all the downloadable content, expansions, episodes etc, why would you even consider letting them being sold separately on GOG?
-- What happens when an episodic game is completed or all DLCs for a particular game have been published and there's a complete/GOTY/anthology edition? Will GOG introduce it to us?
-- What happened to all the people that requested on a wishlist 'Bringing complete editions'? Have they changed their minds? Does wishlist really show so poorly what community expects from GOG? Results of the poll are not quiet what I expected to be honest.

I really wouldn't like to see GOG become just one of the many DD platforms and all that stuff feels to me like a step in that direction...
Posted April 20, 2013
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ERISS: What is missing is a warning from GOG against DLCs. Something like: "Beware, this game may have paying DLCs".
Oh, I have a warning that would fit the bill:
Warning. The game's developer is still active, the game is still liked by people, so additional content may be added at any point. That content may not be free, thus requiring you to pay more for it. If you don't like this idea, wait for the company to go bankrupt first, thus removing any possibility for additional content. Then pick up your game.
This is the only correct warning, since it is possible for content to be added at a later point, any later point. Do you wish for that specific a warning?
Posted April 20, 2013
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JMich: additional content may be added
I talked about DLC. Your fanboyism about them blind you. Not all additional content are DLC. I'm ok for decent expansions like good old days.
Post edited April 20, 2013 by ERISS
Posted April 20, 2013
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ERISS: I talked about DLC. Your fanboyism about them blind you.
How do you define DLC? Isn't DLC additional content?
Posted April 20, 2013
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ERISS: No. Anti-drm is one thing that made GOG success. By allowing DLCs and preorders of beta games (Omerta, Eador2), GOG is downgrading its respect of its consumers, what had made it grow.
One but not the only. I came here for the classics and stayed to this day - partially because of anti-DRM, partially because of great classic releases , partially because of great new releases and partially because of great quality of this service.
I just got alpha of Enola on Desura from Debut bundle, because it looks fun. If it was on GOG, I'd get it here.
I bought Cognition, Desura again. If it was on GOG, I'd get it here.
It doesn't have to be a medicore game with DLCs or an episodic game that's never going to be finished. It can be something good and fun!
And if anything, GOG staff is rather too strict with their quality control sometimes (yes, yes, I'm talking about The Cat Lady again, I know I'm boring) than too forgiving.

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ERISS: What is missing is a warning from GOG against DLCs. Something like: "Beware, this game may have paying DLCs".
So we could buy other games, which will have no DLC, or all for free. Without making the difference, there is no respect on the consummer as GOG does not care.
A warning sounds fair. Maybe it's worth to add it to the site features wishlist?
Post edited April 20, 2013 by Novotnus
Posted April 20, 2013
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JMich: How do you define DLC? Isn't DLC additional content?
You post faster than I edit. You can see my post 20 minutes ago.
Posted April 20, 2013
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Novotnus: A warning sounds fair. Maybe it's worth to add it to the site features wishlist?
A warning against potential DLCs, or against existing DLCs?
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ERISS: You post faster than I edit. You can see my post 20 minutes ago.
Your posts says that an expansion is not a DLC. That doesn't tell me what a DLC is.

Is this a DLC? It is additional content for a game, that when it came out it was offered for free. But you still needed to get that content to have the "full" experience. Or is it an expansion?
Post edited April 20, 2013 by JMich
Posted April 20, 2013
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JMich: A warning against potential DLCs, or against existing DLCs?
An information that the game can have additional paid content coming in the future - so if anybody wants to wait for it and get it during a sale, he\she's free to do so.
Just to avoid another DLC drama ;)
Post edited April 20, 2013 by Novotnus
Posted April 20, 2013
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JMich: A warning against potential DLCs, or against existing DLCs?
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Novotnus: An information that the game can have additional paid content coming in the future - so if anybody wants to wait for it and get it during a sale, he's free to do so.
But that requires a DLC to be planned. What if it isn't? Do they warn that it may get DLC, thus my warning on post 155 is accurate (even if a bit snarky), or do they not warn about potential DLCs?
Posted April 20, 2013
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Royial20: Just put more priority on older games (imo) i'm stilling wanting some Grim Fandango, Monkey Islands, System Shock 1, Deadlock, all that good stuff. Give give give! =)
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JMich: But that requires a DLC to be planned. What if it isn't? Do they warn that it may get DLC, thus my warning on post 155 is accurate (even if a bit snarky), or do they not warn about potential DLCs?
I guess devs \ publishers state such things when signing to GOG : )
And if they don't and publish additional content without saying they're going to - well, no warning then.
Posted April 20, 2013
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Novotnus: I guess devs \ publishers state such things when signing to GOG : )
And if they don't and publish additional content without saying they're going to - well, no warning then.
So, would you have Sword of the Stars: The Pit display a DLC warning or not? I've no idea if there are any DLCs planned for it, but I wouldn't be surprised to see one in 3-5 months.
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