I´ve just noticed that in galaxy 1.0 i can disable the achievements in a way súper easy, not as on steam that if it´s possible it´s not clear to do. Things like this makes me love more to GOG, they give us the control about OUR games.

In my opinion achievements are a intromission during the game, you are more pending to achieve an achievement that enjoying the play, so for me if they don´t exist better to me.

I´ve played decades without them. I consider them like the old "easter eggs". On the other hand the cloud save is more interesting tool although i rarely replay games or play simultaneously on two platforms, but it´s good to have the option.

I read the first few pages of the thread. Has the argument progressed beyond people pretending manipulative psychological practices don't exist or confusing normal gameplay with achievements and lootboxes?

I think that's what some of us meant with that....that they aren't bad by themselves for many, but are bad for some others(as well as other uses of the word "bad")

That's fair, and tbh many would likely rather have that(including me) than bans/etc.

That's the thing....just because one LIKES what they do or feels good about it doesn't mean it is good for them.....take those who overeat and go over 500-600 lbs here in the states, for example.

Also at least running on treadmills/etc has some net positives.....achievements don't give much beyond a picture/bit of text and the desire(for some) to get more to get that feeling again.

(Of course I agree people should still be able to have them)

Sounds good.

I still think even those who aren't neutral outsiders can "read the writing on the wall" and notice patterns/trends....that is what I mean/meant. :)
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Some days I wonder how hard it would be for you to give a straight answer to a question that's not wrapped in "intellectual speak"...then I remember who i'm talking to. :D

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Not to rain on your parade too much(and i'm not saying this for bad reasons), but:

Curing a disease? That's an achievement.

Solving some complex mathematical problem for humanity? That's an achievement.

Raising ones kids right, or living until one is 100 or close to it? Ditto.

People beating games on hard or similar(imo) is nowhere near being worthy of being called achievements.

(Again, that's just my take on it....i'm not trying to offend anyone :))

definition:
achievement
[əˈtʃiːvm(ə)nt]
NOUN
a thing done successfully with effort, skill, or courage.
"to reach this stage is a great achievement"
synonyms:
attainment · reaching · gaining · winning · acquirement · procurement · [More]
the process or fact of achieving something.
"the achievement of professional recognition" · [More]
synonyms:
implementation · carrying out · accomplishment · performance · effecting · [More]
heraldry
a representation of a coat of arms with all the adjuncts to which a bearer of arms is entitled.

i agree with scale. on the grand scale of things they're pretty low. but textbook definition - they fit.

I'll just leave this here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsRjQDrDnY8

All they need is a switch Achievements?: With a slider box clicking it once turns it on clicking it again turns them off

Because I don't have that much life left I've only got what 14 years to 50 and 20 years after that to DEAD any time after DEAD say 76 maybe 80 or even 100 but I doubt very highly I'll make it to 100 would be a boon.

If there was only a way to slow telomeres down to almost a grinding halt we could live healthily for 100,000 years

Well that's what I was going for....things that are more apropos(imo) to call achievements, rather than anything that technically fits under the definition. :)

(Also you didn't reply to the other parts...i'm a saaaaad panda. ;))
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If you mean achievements aren't worthy of being groups with the others then imo you're somewhat wrong....they are less bad/"bad" than the others, yes, but very likely still made to get people hooked on buying more games/etc.
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More like around 1,000, maybe.....also accidents/disease would likely claim most before such a time(unless we all had scifi style nanobots repairing damage as well).

Also you seem to be forgetting memory is finite(and can be damaged over time), and living that long wouldn't be as nice if one forgot things from hundreds of years ago due to such finite memory/getting mental issues over time due to such/etc.

So last night I was playing Nioh 2. During a level, an achievement pops up:
DING! Kodama Leader: Collected all Kodama.

I grumbled. Gee, thanks for spoiling me that the game is about to end and that I don't need to hunt for any more...

A few minutes later, at the end of that stage:
DING! Friend of Guardians: Collected all Guardian Spirits.

I furrowed my brows, upset. Thanks for spoiling me there aren't any more cool companions to find, that the remaining bosses don't have any, and that I won't get any of the others I've seen in the game but don't have yet.

Thanks for ruining the pace of the game and breaking suspension! Thanks for letting me know that the end is about to happen and that there isn't going to be a twist and extension.

These are all sarcastic "thanks", if it's not clear. It's bad, and it's diminishing the game. Fucking devs.

Agreed somewhat.....I dislike achievements that basically tell you you are close to the game's end or spoil things(not so much ones that pop up when you finish levels/games, though)....at least with classic stats lists one can avoid them if one so chooses.

Technical bug highlighting the problem with client-based achievements: https://www.gog.com/forum/general/drm_on_gog_list_of_singleplayer_games_with_drm/post598