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Klumpen0815: People could at least try to understand this perspective and the concentration camp analogy really isn't far off and sometimes what is needed to understand.
I'll just assume this isn't directed at me as I was merely observing the reactions and not saying I don't understand the analogy. Quite the contrary, actually, considering how a lot of animals meant for eating are treated it is indeed not far off. There is just a big difference in people's views on cruelty towards animals versus cruelty towards their fellow men.
(Even among different species of animals. It's almost funny how some will resent the idea of eating cats or dogs while chewing on a hamburger.)

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snowkatt: ...usually horribly from cancer
i have had 6 rats in 5 years and they all died from tumors
Is it true that this is mostly due to the fact that before being kept as pets, rats were (and still are) used in animal testing and basically bred to have tumors?
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snowkatt: ...usually horribly from cancer
i have had 6 rats in 5 years and they all died from tumors
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Crackpot.756: Is it true that this is mostly due to the fact that before being kept as pets, rats were (and still are) used in animal testing and basically bred to have tumors?
i couldnt say that but i have heard that fancy rats ie pet rats because they are bred and because fo defeciencies caused by the breeding are more susepticle to tumors

considering 3 of the 5 died from tumors and one from respitory failure they have a defect alright
and i stopped keeping rats because of it
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chevkoch: Thanks, that really looks gorgeous. You are doing this professionally? Sure looks like it.
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awalterj: Thank you, yes it's my profession. Not picking up dead rats, but I mean painting.
Do you have a portfolio online I could look at?

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Crackpot.756: I don't know... how do you tenderize cats?
Try the Jerky 2000.
Post edited November 22, 2014 by chevkoch
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snowkatt: considering 3 of the 5 died from tumors and one from respitory failure they have a defect alright
and i stopped keeping rats because of it
Understandable, it's rather depressing. Sometimes I think it'd be nice to have rats again but then everything dies.

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chevkoch: Try the Jerky 2000.
Oh my. Where can I get one?
It almost seems like kicking would be the less brutal method.
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snowkatt: considering 3 of the 5 died from tumors and one from respitory failure they have a defect alright
and i stopped keeping rats because of it
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Crackpot.756: Understandable, it's rather depressing. Sometimes I think it'd be nice to have rats again but then everything dies.
and it was also in a very short timeframe and they all seemed to die in quite an unpleasant way ( if very fast twice i woke up to find a deceased rat in the cage ) so i just stopped having pet rats it just became too depressing

( if wondering i went to the vet for the other two to have them euthanised and i gave away the fifth to a rodent shelter because he was agressive )
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Klumpen0815: I know I shouldn't have let myself get trolled to this level, but knowing what unspeakable horrors billions of animals have to endure from the first to the last breath, it's sometimes hard to contain the anger towards those making this possible anyway. People could at least try to understand this perspective and the concentration camp analogy really isn't far off and sometimes what is needed to understand.

I'm still searching for vegan game-devs, have posted the few results in the first post and will continue to do so.
You really shouldn't have done the Nazi analogy. You're kind of comparing non-vegans to the Nazis during Hitler's rule, who tortured and killed millions of human beings. This is kind of a really big insult, and that's, to begin with, not a good way to start a polite conversation.
Plus, if you don't want people to discuss which kind of feeding is the best, you really shouldn't start by saying what you think about that, because that makes people want to discuss and say their own opinion. And the discussion they'll have is, because you started by insulting them, not polite.
If you hadn't stated your opinion that being vegan is the best and not being vegan is the worst, people would just aggregate vegan game devs like you asked, and not try to address your claim.
By the way: being angry never helps your point.

…Ah well, at least you changed your post, slightly.
Post edited November 23, 2014 by thiagovscoelho
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PixelBoy: Most vegans are against having pets. And from any eco-friendly point of view, keeping home pets, like dogs and cats, is a complete waste of resources which serves no purpose, and therefore, less pets the better.
Service dogs, like police dogs, are of course a different matter (not sure how vegans see that).
Probably most are, I don't have the statistics, but the few I know do have pets. Still, in a industrial/post-industrial society, it would be more of a waste if we had to dedicate the meat industry just to feed service dogs or guide dogs. It would be unsustainable. How would you convince anyone to just raise cattle to feed the relatively small population of service dogs or to finance the facilities and workers to make a meat industry just to produce dog chow? This kind of product is made out of the parts of the animals that most people wouldn't eat, but it's economically positive to get as much use as possible out of every slaughtered animal. The rest of the cow isn't discarded if it was used for leather, or steak, or whatever.

Also, as an industry, it creates jobs which people need to survive.
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PixelBoy: Most vegans are against having pets. And from any eco-friendly point of view, keeping home pets, like dogs and cats, is a complete waste of resources which serves no purpose, and therefore, less pets the better.
Service dogs, like police dogs, are of course a different matter (not sure how vegans see that).
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Decatonkeil: Probably most are, I don't have the statistics, but the few I know do have pets. Still, in a industrial/post-industrial society, it would be more of a waste if we had to dedicate the meat industry just to feed service dogs or guide dogs. It would be unsustainable. How would you convince anyone to just raise cattle to feed the relatively small population of service dogs or to finance the facilities and workers to make a meat industry just to produce dog chow?
(emphasis added)

The problem is the industry itself.
In the hypothetical situation where we only need to feed service animals, that meat can easily be obtained by hunting. And as some hunting happens whether meat is consumed or not (to control the number of wild animals), the logical step would be to use that meat.


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Decatonkeil: Also, as an industry, it creates jobs which people need to survive.
Well that's a bad argument if there ever was one.
Wars and prostitution also create jobs, but I don't see too many people promoting either one, as both can be seen violating human rights. But if it's animal rights vs. jobs, somehow the job argument is seen politically correct, and not too many people really see nothing wrong with that.
Unless it's whale or dolphin hunting we're talking about, for some reason, those animals make an exception.
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thiagovscoelho: snip
As I said before, I added this later because some people answered this thread with posts containing their astonishment why this thread is made and if it's serious, people demanded reasons, well maybe I should continue to ignore offtopic posts and go back to the start and hope people stop posting what they posted as a reaction to the original post.
And no, I didn't compare meat eaters to the Nazis in the concentration camps, but to the rest of the population making this possible, that's a difference and exactly what is happening today, well actually it's worse, because people give those camps rather real reasons to exist (money) other than the people back then.
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Decatonkeil: snip
Offtopic: You'd be surprised how much of the stuff nobody here would eat is sold to Africa.

Still waiting for more ontopic-posts which would be appreciated.
Post edited November 23, 2014 by Klumpen0815
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PixelBoy: Well that's a bad argument if there ever was one.
Wars and prostitution also create jobs, but I don't see too many people promoting either one, as both can be seen violating human rights. But if it's animal rights vs. jobs, somehow the job argument is seen politically correct, and not too many people really see nothing wrong with that.
Well I see many people promoting both. Do you see families rallying against what their soldier sons and daughters are doing in Iraq? Even if there weren't wars, there would be people promoting defence and police work. Are the people supporting that there should be police and military also supporting that there should be imperialism and oppression? Everyone picks their own fights, their own struggles and agendas and chooses which ones to forget about. Ending with the meat industry would be ending with the means that a lot of people have to earn their income: shepherds, butchers, etc. It's very easy to say this kind of things from a comfortable position in the first world of the first world. Not everyone can be a let's play vlogger, a coolhunter, a personal shopper...
Maybe they will write a game called "Vegan cooking simulator"
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Cavenagh: Maybe they will write a game called "Vegan cooking simulator"
A bull fighting game where you can control the bull, slaughter mathadors and don't get stabbed before the show for the blood loss like in real life would be awesome.

An alien farm where you can grow humans would be neat too. :D

Related:
http://i.imgur.com/VOUDmwC.jpg
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Cavenagh: Maybe they will write a game called "Vegan cooking simulator"
Not if the devs are vegans. The lack of protein and iron from their veggie diet will leave them too anemic and weakened to do much programming.
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chevkoch: Do you have a portfolio online I could look at?
By now, I've plastered more works around this place than I have posted on my online portfolio. I can't separate myself from painting even here but I do separate myself from the business side of things in my free time so forgive me if I don't link my website here on GOG. Wouldn't want to make it look like I'm advertising, if I post stuff here it's just to share and with no intent of marketing & sales. I hope this makes sense and doesn't seem rude, thank you!

I'll PM you some links to threads where I posted more works to make up for it.
facepalm...