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Magmarock: Are you using bots to upvote your comments? lol.
I've often noticed a similar pattern re: posts made by users who highly support Gog in certain threads like these. It's likely the same small group of users running their scripts/bots, and as such would likely be best to pay such very little mind.

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foad01: Suddenly, the people have the time to read the user agreements and are surprised about the contents...
As I said in another post in one of these threads: I think it's more likely a number of people
didn't even read the terms/rules until Gog "put it in everyone's face" via emails/forums threads.
Post edited January 28, 2024 by GamezRanker
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foad01: The current GOG user agreements include this...

"17.2. Our right to terminate the Agreement. If you materially breach this Agreement, we reserve the right to suspend or cancel your access to GOG services and GOG content. By material breach of the Agreement we mean a serious breach which could cause significant harm to GOG, GOG users, as well as, in particular breach of the provisions of section 11 above. If we suspend or cancel your access to GOG services or GOG content we'll take reasonable steps to contact you to explain why we've done this and what (if anything) you can do as a result."
Which does not include the Code of Conduct, since it is not part of the current Agreement. It will be part of the updated agreement.
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foad01: ...and later in the Forum Code of Conduct you can read this:

"Violations of our rules may be met with removal of a message, a written warning, or a temporary or permanent ban from the server. If your offense violates the law, your account may be suspended and relevant authorities may be notified of your misconduct."
This again does not allow GOG to terminate (as opposed to suspend) your account, confiscate funds in your GOG Wallet or withdraw your licence to use previously downloaded offline installers. Plus it only applies if a law has been breached (presumably Polish, which could make discussions on abor-tion chancy - and BTW I had to hyphenate that word to get this post through forum filtering, so does this now constitute a banning offence?). And finally, someone who purchased games without ever logging into the forum would, clearly, not be included at all.

Really, just a casual glance should suffice to show the significance of these changes. Given that a Code of Conduct violation can occur from "Taking any actions that are deemed inappropriate by GOG at our sole discretion", these changes now allow GOG to "terminate at will". It is perfectly appropriate for forum abuse to be met with a forum ban (even a permanent one in the most severe of cases) but depriving posters of paid-for content is not, and is not permissible under the current Terms and Conditions.
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InkPanther: You forgot to read section 11.1, especially paragraph (g).
I didn't consider those changes significant - perhaps you might wish to elaborate?:

Before:
(g) Don't do or say anything which is or may be considered racist, xenophobic, sexist, defamatory or otherwise offensive or illegal. Be nice to each other please!

After:
(g) Don't do or say anything which is or may be considered racist, xenophobic, sexist, defamatory or otherwise offensive or illegal (f.ex. exploiting minors, encouraging violence, engaging in fraud). Be nice to each other please!
Post edited January 28, 2024 by AstralWanderer
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I've often noticed a similar pattern re: posts made by users who highly support Gog in certain threads like these. It's likely the same small group of users running their scripts/bots, and as such would likely be best to pay such very little mind.
This is nonsense. It is far more interesting that some of the most vocal users in these threads had already problems and were banned before.

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AstralWanderer: [...]
If they suspend your account you won't have access to your games and to your wallet. It is up to GOG whether this suspension is temporary or permanent. It is up to GOG whether they ban you or suspend your account. There was one example mentioned where the suspension was temporary. It happened in the past.

This discussion ended up being about semantics as many other threads where people disagree. This is pointless because it is a never ending loop.

If you have a problem with the new user agreements then you have three options:

1. stop whining and accept them

or

2. you disagree with the new user agreements, cancel your account and leave

or

3. you sue GOG and challenge them in court

Everything else is pointless.
Post edited January 28, 2024 by foad01
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InkPanther: You forgot to read section 11.1, especially paragraph (g).
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AstralWanderer: I didn't consider those changes significant - perhaps you might wish to elaborate?:
Ok, two things.

Firstly, in relation to paragraph 11.1 (g). It's not about the changes, it's about what it says. And it says, in very broad terms, what is not acceptable to post and, per paragraph 17.2, may lead to account termination. If you do not believe me, please reread paragraph 1.1 stating that the User Agreement applies to, among others, the GOG web forums.

Secondly. Even if the CoC is not mentioned in the User Agreement by name, I do not believe it makes it invalid. The CoC is an official policy which deals with forum moderation in a more detailed way than the UA, but in accordance with it.
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foad01: If they suspend your account you won't have access to your games and to your wallet. It is up to GOG whether this suspension is temporary or permanent...
Suspension is temporary.
Termination is permanent.
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foad01: This discussion ended up being about semantics as many other threads...
When you are dealing with legal (or quasi legal) matters, syntax, semantics and precise wording are key issues.
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foad01: If you have a problem with the new user agreements then you have three options...
Indeed - and for many people, there may be strong legal grounds for action (aside from the whole "you accept this change by revisiting our webpage" spiel which is already non-binding in some places) since in countries that impose tighter restrictions on consumer contracts, clauses allowing the taking of previously paid-for goods/services away without refund would be deemed invalid.

But legal action is never an easy option (cost or convenience wise) and frankly, GOG could (and should) offer a better way out along the lines of "We'll suspend your forum posting privileges until you agree, but you can still access your library and download updates".

Taking the line that "nothing has changed" though is clearly false and if you think this is a non-issue and that everyone disagreeing with you is a whiner/weiner/whatever (cue breach of Code of Conduct?) then why on earth are you still posting?
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InkPanther: Ok, two things.

Firstly, in relation to paragraph 11.1 (g). It's not about the changes, it's about what it says...
If it hasn't changed in substance (and since the changes made just list examples) then I'd argue it as irrelevant in a discussion about a new TOS. If anything, having examples may be of benefit to users since they serve to "tighten up" what content GOG can act upon.
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InkPanther: ...per paragraph 17.2, may lead to account termination. If you do not believe me, please reread paragraph 1.1 stating that the User Agreement applies to, among others, the GOG web forums
Section 11 can be criticised for being overly broad (though many other fora have similar provisions) but the Code of Conduct ("at GOG's discretion") is, I would argue, far wider. And having that included in the new 17.2 is significant.

However, the more one-sided GOG's Terms and Conditions are, the less chance of them standing up in any court case. I've no intention of testing them myself (I'm still effectively boycotting GOG as per this thread) but highlighting specific issues would (a) help GOG ameliorate their T&Cs (on the off-chance that they're paying attention to this and related threads) or (b) help posters falling foul of an irate moderator identify their legal options.
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AstralWanderer:
I'd like to I remind you that your biggest problem was that, according to you, the current version of ToS doesn't allow for account termination for improper forum behavior and the upcoming version changes that. I pointed exactly how that's incorrect, so now you're saying it's irrelevant?
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AstralWanderer: [...]
Something has changed. The "old" Forum Code of Conduct of conduct is now "part" of the user agreements. The effects are still the same though. They can cancel your account if GOG sees a materially breach. For some reasons some people here can't see this element and debate about semantics that suddenly in the new user agreements GOG can finally "terminate" an account for forum activities. This is simply not true. What they consider a materially breach is up to GOG. It is vaguely enunciated in the old user agreements including the Forum Code of Conduct and it is vaguely enunciated in the new user agreements. If someone is announcing on the forums that they will hack GOG and destroy parts of their servers then you will have a case where they can cancel the account with the current user agreements.

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AstralWanderer: [...] then why on earth are you still posting?
I simply can't understand the outrage and that there are three threads about this which ended up being never ending loops.
Post edited January 29, 2024 by foad01
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Magmarock: Are you using bots to upvote your comments? lol.
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GamezRanker: I've often noticed a similar pattern re: posts made by users who highly support Gog in certain threads like these. It's likely the same small group of users running their scripts/bots, and as such would likely be best to pay such very little mind.
Still we can have a bit of fun
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Magmarock: [...]
You are currently breaking the current Forum Code of Conduct.
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InkPanther: I'd like to I remind you that your biggest problem was that, according to you, the current version of ToS doesn't allow for account termination for improper forum behavior and the upcoming version changes that. I pointed exactly how that's incorrect, so now you're saying it's irrelevant?
I'm pretty sure using scripts in against the TOS in some way.
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Magmarock: Are you using bots to upvote your comments? lol.
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GamezRanker: I've often noticed a similar pattern re: posts made by users who highly support Gog in certain threads like these. It's likely the same small group of users running their scripts/bots, and as such would likely be best to pay such very little mind.
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becuase off course it is impossible that the majority of people who read this thread agree with them and not with you? nah, that does not make sense at all. it has to be bots, not other explanation

(especially now that the downvote button is removed....it is only possible to rate a post up)

ps. that was sarcasm. I am telling you so that that you dont think I am actually agreeing with you. just making sure.

I've often noticed a similar pattern re: posts made by users who highly support Gog in certain threads like these. It's likely the same small group of users running their scripts/bots, and as such would likely be best to pay such very little mind.
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foad01: This is nonsense. It is far more interesting that some of the most vocal users in these threads had already problems and were banned before.

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AstralWanderer: [...]
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foad01: If they suspend your account you won't have access to your games and to your wallet. It is up to GOG whether this suspension is temporary or permanent. It is up to GOG whether they ban you or suspend your account. There was one example mentioned where the suspension was temporary. It happened in the past.

This discussion ended up being about semantics as many other threads where people disagree. This is pointless because it is a never ending loop.

If you have a problem with the new user agreements then you have three options:

1. stop whining and accept them

or

2. you disagree with the new user agreements, cancel your account and leave

or

3. you sue GOG and challenge them in court

Everything else is pointless.
If you have a problem with this thread you can just stop posting in it.

Everything else is pointless.
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duder123: If you have a problem with this thread you can just stop posting in it.

Everything else is pointless.
I don't have a problem with this thread. You are just another internet keyboard warrior.
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duder123: If you have a problem with this thread you can just stop posting in it.

Everything else is pointless.
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foad01: I don't have a problem with this thread. You are just another internet keyboard warrior.
Funny how the authoritarians who are obsessed with forcing more and more speech policing on people also always seem to be the exact same people who can't go a single sentence without insulting everyone that doesn't agree with them
Post edited January 29, 2024 by duder123
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duder123: Funny how the authoritarians who are obsessed with forcing more and more speech policing on people also always seem to be the exact same people who can't go a single sentence without insulting everyone that doesn't agree with them
Earlier in this thread you said to one user:

"Did you emigrate from North Korea? Or where did you get this fetish for authority?"

You are the one who can't accept other opinions and you can only use personal attacks. Why? You are a keyboard warrior.