Well... it's a racist opinion... ;)

Except there aren't really that many different opinions expressed on the major gaming sites. Most of them are working together to decide what counts as news and how it should be expressed (as evidenced by the mailing list which pressured journalists from different sites to tow the party line and only print what was deemed appropriate by the others). In a situation like that, there isn't much choice and readers don't have too many options aside from expressing their dissatisfaction to the sites and to advertisers on those sites.

And if there really was free journalism (instead of the major sites copy/pasting from each other) then why would most gamers choose to frequent the sites that regularly insult gamers? In that scenario, most gamers would prefer to go to non-biased sites that focus on fairly reviewing games, in which case the advertisers would follow because it makes more sense to advertise on the sites that have more readers.

In either scenario, it results in loss of advertising revenue for the sites that alienate their readers.

Totally agree. It does seem that there is largely one voice coming from mainstream gaming sites (that many people here disagree with) but to me the solution to that problem isn't to replace it with largely one voice coming from mainstream gaming sites (that many here agree with).

That may be the end result of all of this (I personally don't think it will be), but I don't think that would be a good result. It seems to me like that might just be replacing one problem with another.

Care to repeat what you actually meant, then? Just freely, your main moral ideal.

And European continent labour class emancipation Unions of old - they fought and suffered for a five day work week, pension and paid holidays system, eight hour workday or overtime pay, banning of child labour, collective wage bargaining, right to unite, right to educate themselves.

Any hard core right winger working for their wage owns more to the socialist cum Labour Union than they should like to admit, lest they would not mind working six days a week sixteen hours, and having their kids at it, too.

Note this is still reality in parts of the world, like China or India. But you still probably happily buy "made in China" if it is cheap?

And true Unions are a solidarity movement. And a movement of conscience - where any discrimination based on colour of hair, gender, or being underprivileged should not matter, and should be fought against. I think!

And why is Scandinavia then in general so well off - being purportedly so shamelessly equalitarian? For life standard, democracy and economy.

Right to vote, necessity to work, religious equality, public education, right to abort, freedom of press, parliamentary democracy, recognition of minorities and legitimate unions. Admirable things, eh?

But still, a woman's Euro is about 80 cents even in Finland.

But to revert it back to OP, only a sad minority would (I hope) bother about ZQ's sleeping habits, and we would hopefully find it untasteful for her or anyone to work for free when a purported capital investment vehicle is in place.

Have you read any of the "Gamers are dead" articles? Because that's basically what some of them say, just with different words.

Do you know what an analogy means? I can't believe you're implying that i said gamers were a race. Please, be rational at least once.

Yet these feminists you are defending feel bad about "objectified women in gaming". Oh, the double standards.

So this happened -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmosgPNXmNc

I guess that is the big difference. I looked at what they "actually" said, not what they "basically" said. To me there is an important distinction.

I appreciate that it was an analogy. I just don't think that it was a good one. I don't think a race of people is analogous to a group of people who undertake in a particular hobby.

I'm not sure that is necessarily a double standard. I can only speak for myself. I have never felt personally insulted by objectification of women in gaming either (possibly because I am not a woman). I think its consistent for me to not be insulted be either articles about gaming or video games themselves.

Do you think it is a double standard to be insulted about the "gamers are dead" articles but not about "objectified women in gaming"? Personally, I don't think that is a double standard either. I don't think you can say to someone because you are insulted by X you must also be insulted by Y.

It's easy to be tolerant when your demographics are dominantly homogeneous. One could say that's in fact not tolerant at all, merely self-interested. Not that there's anything wrong with that ;)

I'm not sue of your point on Scandinavia / Nordics. Are you saying they are not sexist, therefore are better off? Or that they are sexist, therefore only seem to be better off?
I have a trick question. :)

Which of the groups do you think have stronger cohesion, or do you see it as a neutral factor?
A racial group, arguably determined by natural factors impossible to change? (mixed race discounted for percentual irrelevance and exceptional resourceful individuals like Michael JAckson excepted)
A self selected group, brought about by freedom to associate and able to define exclusionary membership criteria?

And a final thought, interesting how family units kind of bridge these two huh? You self select as pairs, you extend your genetic "market share". Cool stuff :)

I don't know that there is any strong cohesion.

I think the only thing tying a racial group together is their race, and the only thing tying gamers together is that they play games. Other than those factors, they can have completely different views, genders, likes, dislikes, persuasions, values, etc.

Alright, if you want the article, here it is:
"‘Game culture’ as we know it is kind of embarrassing -- it’s not even culture. It’s buying things, spackling over memes and in-jokes repeatedly, and it’s getting mad on the internet.

It’s young men queuing with plush mushroom hats and backpacks and jutting promo poster rolls. Queuing passionately for hours, at events around the world, to see the things that marketers want them to see. To find out whether they should buy things or not. They don’t know how to dress or behave. Television cameras pan across these listless queues, and often catch the expressions of people who don’t quite know why they themselves are standing there.

‘Games culture’ is a petri dish of people who know so little about how human social interaction and professional life works that they can concoct online ‘wars’ about social justice or ‘game journalism ethics,’ straight-faced, and cause genuine human consequences. Because of video games.
(...)
That’s not super surprising, actually. While video games themselves were discovered by strange, bright outcast pioneers -- they thought arcades would make pub games more fun, or that MUDs would make for amazing cross-cultural meeting spaces -- the commercial arm of the form sprung up from marketing high-end tech products to ‘early adopters’. You know, young white dudes with disposable income who like to Get Stuff.

Suddenly a generation of lonely basement kids had marketers whispering in their ears that they were the most important commercial demographic of all time. Suddenly they started wearing shiny blouses and pinning bikini babes onto everything they made, started making games that sold the promise of high-octane masculinity to kids just like them.
(...)
“Gamer” isn’t just a dated demographic label that most people increasingly prefer not to use. Gamers are over. That’s why they’re so mad.

These obtuse shitslingers, these wailing hyper-consumers, these childish internet-arguers -- they are not my audience."

And this is just from the Gamasutra article, there's a lot more in other similar articles that were posted at the same time to attack their audience.

Oh boy, do you really have to do so many acobratics instead of admiting that you are wrong? It has nothing to do with races, i even mentioned christians as an example because of that. I'm just saying that labelling any group with offensive adjectives is fucking ridiculous. It doesn't matter if we are talking about a religious group, an ethnic group or a group that share the same hobby. Can you understand it now or do i have to draw a picture for you?

Obviously not, because a game is just a fucking game, it's an entertainment product and nothing else. The article was real i did feel offended by it, just like i found it offensive when an user here called all greeks "crooks".

God damn, reading those article quotes a second time just hammers home what a shitty article it was. I don't agree with feeling offended by it, but god... why would she get paid to write that drivel. Oh wait, it's Gamasutra.

Anyway...

??? Gamasutra's focus on game development is normally pretty good. Can you explain what this comment refers to?

What I want from journalism is full disclosure - pretty much a the Escapist is doing now for example.

I also want them to about games without the overbearing social justice crap seeping in. I don't want to read about articles attacking gamers. I don't need articles telling me that Tropico is such a bad game because you play as a dictator. I don't want games blacklisted from being reviewed because the develpoer doesn't want to follow a specific social agenda (deliverance: kingdom come). I just want game reviews that focus on how fun it is - even if I don't agree with it.

I gotta say, I found someone calling Tropico a bad game because you play a dictator hilarious, considering that the game does allow you to actually NOT be a total ass (And in fact, a lot of the dictatorish stuff actually has penalties involved). I actually thought that the game was well thought out with the powers it gave you and how people reacted to that, and even if you wanted to take it onto social commentary, it gave an insight into how a politician has to spin plates and make choices to keep people happy.

The raw fact is, the game doesn't force you to play as an abusive dictator, it's completely onto the player, the game just gives you the options.